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Old 07-21-2012, 02:08 AM   #1
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$1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

I'm new at these 6max hypers.
I'm aware that there is not much room for post flop play, but what do you do in a spot like this one? (considering the buy in lvl)
Is it a standard C-bet? If so it would take a big chunk of my stack + in my experience so far, villains at this buy in lvl just love to call raises w KJ, KT, QJ & JT type of hands, but still I got some outs.

Stats on villain: 33/0/100 (only 6 hands)


    Poker Stars, $1.40 Buy-in (15/30 blinds, 3 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13567552

    BTN: 511 (17 bb)
    SB: 416 (13.9 bb)
    BB: 538 (17.9 bb)
    Hero (MP): 516 (17.2 bb)
    CO: 1,019 (34 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with K A
    Hero raises to 90, CO folds, BTN calls 90, 2 folds

    Flop: (240) T 4 J (2 players)
    Hero?



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    Old 07-21-2012, 07:13 AM   #2
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

    Dont 3x raise, only 2x. This would make your cbet much less of your stack
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    Old 07-21-2012, 07:17 AM   #3
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

    In a $1.5 I'm most likely just shoving pre - they'll still call you off with their T8s or A5o.

    Either that or raising less pre so you don't need to fire off half your stack when you c-bet.

    As played it could go either way imo - I most likely would c-bet but I'm not very good
    If you c-bet here I wouldn't make it bigger than around 80-95ish.
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    Old 07-21-2012, 07:22 AM   #4
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

    shove pre man, its waste of your time to donk around and guess on the flops what those jokers called with.
    AK is great open shove even on t20, you will see how crappy calls you get and how often.

    imo you cant learn 'proper play' at 1.50 or 3.50, you just have to shove sh*t pre, maybe sometimes raise to only steal/hit flop, coz u aint getting any folds if you miss.
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    Old 07-23-2012, 08:57 AM   #5
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

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    Dont 3x raise, only 2x. This would make your cbet much less of your stack
    I find this an interesting spot. at this level i dont think its too bad 3 x ing here as opposed to 2 x ing. as it can be good to have more in the pot as if you do hit you will get paid off a big % of the time.

    so the argument is do you slow down when you miss, alot of times you will get a free card as villain will check back or do you just fire a c bet and then give up if he calls or folds - is tripple barreling an option also??
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    Old 07-23-2012, 10:48 AM   #6
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

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    at this level i dont think its too bad 3 x ing here as opposed to 2 x ing
    From UTG it is. Your argument is sort-of invalid too - if you're playing loose/passive fish and you're going to go and be fancy and not shove but raise.. why not keep the pot small for the times you miss and just bloat it when you hit as they'll call anyway?

    But just shove unless if you're in a $30 w/ 4 other decent regs. No need to get fancy and it's prolly more +EV to shove anyway as they'll call w/ A5o that they might have folded postflop when missing.
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    Old 07-23-2012, 08:43 PM   #7
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

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    From UTG it is. Your argument is sort-of invalid too - if you're playing loose/passive fish and you're going to go and be fancy and not shove but raise.. why not keep the pot small for the times you miss and just bloat it when you hit as they'll call anyway?

    But just shove unless if you're in a $30 w/ 4 other decent regs. No need to get fancy and it's prolly more +EV to shove anyway as they'll call w/ A5o that they might have folded postflop when missing.
    point taken !! new to these so appreciate your advice !! do you play alot of these ?? what level are you currently playing/how many tables ??
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    Old 07-23-2012, 08:47 PM   #8
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

    npnp - it doesn't mean I'm right though
    As of now I play $7/$15 and for the most part only 9 tables.
    I have a PG&C thread if you have any further questions
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    Old 07-23-2012, 09:01 PM   #9
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

    Min raise or shove pre. As played I check fold that flop
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    Old 07-24-2012, 05:51 PM   #10
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

    As played I think check folding the flop is just too weak at this level.

    I would shove pre as you still get called by so many fishy hands including Ax - Kx which you have dominated.

    I think check folding is too weak as their calling range still includes those same Ax hands and other fishy hands which missed 6-7 suited (75% chance its not hearts).

    As played though I think bet around 105, and fold to a shove, still leaves you with 10bb.
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    Old 07-25-2012, 04:31 PM   #11
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    Re: $1.50 6max hyper - post flop play

    You can NEVER fold this flop. The pot is 240 and you have 426 behind. Check folding is bad. Bet folding is an absolute horror show.

    I took the time to run some calcs in pokerstove. Assuming villain never has AJ, JJ, TT or 44, as its much more likely that he will just 3bet shoves those hands pre, I gave villain this as a "not folding the flop" range.

    ATs,Ah9h,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,Ah5h,A4s,Ah3h,Ah2h,K9s+,Kh 8h,Q9s+,Qh8h,J7s+,T7s+,98s,AJo-ATo,A4o,K9o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o

    Thats every combo of hand that fits in what a speculative flat call that connects with this flop. So assuming we bet these are the hands that villain continues with. Vs that range with AcKc here we have 47.8% equity on this flop, so given that the pot is well over 50% of our stack I would bet call here all the time. There are plenty of hands villain can fold and we are in pretty decent shape when he doesnt fold. Even if you bet 120 on the flop, villain reshoves, turns over his cards and shows you QJ offsuit, you still have to call

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