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Old 01-13-2017, 05:50 PM   #726
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Do we hash this out in this thread?
Sure. Or in another. However you want -- happy to move these posts to a new thread if you want to start one.
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Rake is $1 for every $10 up to a $3 max. BBJ is $2 if there is a flop.
$5 rake isn't $7, but it is a lot. You're going to have to be the best player at the table to make money, and it has to be by a good margin. The other issue is that the max rake is way more than 10%, so if the pot is $32, all $5 are going down. If the game typically has $80 pots then less of an issue.
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I would say that 5 to the flop is the norm. I'll fold to a raise PF without a decent hand if I have nothing invested and call if it is only one back to me.
Just to be clear, in a limit hand once you've committed funds you're almost always seeing a flop. Maybe if it is like 3 more bets back to you...
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I'll fold TP type hands on river when multiway with a bet and call in front. RARELY am I ahead.
RARELY = less than 10:1 or 15:1 often? In a 20/40 game, overcalling is probably bad. In small stakes, there is that WTF factor... the guy betting may be betting correctly, but the callers don't realize "hey, there are like 4 guys behind me and I need way more hand to call". They just thing "pairs can win".
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I call just about every TP hands HU. I'll call a majority of big pots on the river "for one more" if I only have to be good 10% or less. I think this part of my game is pretty good.
Sounds good.

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Concerns
1. I don't raise much PF. (I do play fairly tight...and positionally aware opening up as I approach button. PF steals are non-existent). There are VERY few 3! PF here. Even with my tight image a raise from me in EP will get 5+ callers. If I 3! from LP, everyone stays in. And I play the hand battling huge ranges. An example from last week had me losing a raised PF hand...4 to flop....to the BB with 32o. "I had the perfect hand to bust aces".
You just need positive equity to raise. Good players are just value raising a lot of hands. If you only raise TT+, AQo+, AJs , you're missing value and you're making it correct for the few observant players to play carefully. If a guy wants to put in a bunch of bets preflop with 32o, you're cheating him of the chance if you limp or overlimp or coldcall.
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2. I call a bunch of flops with any small piece (or pocket pair that missed)...maybe as small as two backdoors....ya know, to see what develops on the turn. BUT....I fold turn a ton...maybe too much,,, but I never seem to hit yada yada yada. Can't find a call with a gutshot on the turn ever
Gutshot and an overcard? Odds are odds. You're thinking good things.
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3. Still can't wrap my head around betting strat with TPTK on the flop on a wet board. I sometimes bet hard, sometimes wait to see what falls on the turn.
You can't bet hard in limit. You either do or you don't. Run some equilab. If you're winning the pot 30% of the time and getting 5 callers... that's profit. It is also misery 70% of the time.
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4. I fear The Flush/Str8. I know it's stupid but a two-flush or 3 to-a-straight flop gets me to slam on the brakes more than it should I suppose. But if I can't beat TPGK, I drop the hand. If I do, I'll call flop, eval turn. If a blank, I'll bet hard. If it completes I'll drop because someone already hit and two others will rep that it hit them as well....
Some of this is great. If you turn 2 pair and lose to a rivered flush, you don't lose your whole stack. You have to realize the people drawing to top pair 2nd best kicker and to 2nd best flush are shoveling all their monies to the best hand and the best draw. So if you bet or raise flop with the current best hand, sure you're helping out the flush draw. However, the two of you are chopping up people drawing dead to the pair of you.

In limit you have fewer hard decisions on the river. You don't have to worry about facing a shove or as much about keeping the pot the right size for your hand strength. It could be your opponents are so passive you just bet and fold to a raise a bunch. It could be they're random enough to bet and then shrug and call the rare spew bluff.
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Old 01-14-2017, 09:25 AM   #727
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I found out the other day that you can straddle the button 3 handed on America's Cardroom. Sweet.
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Old 01-14-2017, 05:39 PM   #728
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You just need positive equity to raise. Good players are just value raising a lot of hands. If you only raise TT+, AQo+, AJs , you're missing value and you're making it correct for the few observant players to play carefully. If a guy wants to put in a bunch of bets preflop with 32o, you're cheating him of the chance if you limp or overlimp or coldcall.
Nice night for KS. Big pots and during the first hour I got all of my good cards in the CO or Bttn. Up three racks. Next two hours blinded off a rack and left.

Night started GREAT as I was waiting for a seat at the table. Floor was privately asking me about a hand I played LAST week when he was out of town. Seems everybody was talking about it throughout the week. I successful bluffed a river in a huge pot against a notorious caller-reg who folded.... and I showed close to the nut low with zero piece of the board (7 high I think...."But it was sooted"). I chuckled.

Maybe more importantly, several regs at the table saw my image continue to get shattered. I raised 4 callers from the button with 45 and Cbet air. Poker Gawd blessed me with runner-runner and as I was racking in the huge pot, I looked up to see everyone giving me "that look".....so I absolutely said "Whaaaaat, I raised PF. Why are you looking at me like I didn't earn this pot. I had a premium hand!" That hand alone will get me paid off for the next few weeks. lol.

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Old 01-15-2017, 01:21 PM   #729
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What an insane start to my 2017 season in my local league. 38 players. We get 20k starting stack and we start out at. 100/200. In a typical game if I get to the 100k mark I feel comfortable I will get to the final table.

Last night I was card dead the entire night and short stacked after the first four levels. I was forced to play short stack strategy the entire night and never got my stack above 38k. I kept barely surviving by stealing the blinds with well timed shoves and suddenly found myself close to the bubble but only having 4BB's left and the BB on my next hand. Out of nowhere two people get eliminated (one at each table) anf I find myself at the final table.

At the final table I pray for a good button draw, get screwed by drawing the BB, but get a walk so I survive to see another orbit where I double up a couple of times and get my stack to a short but playable 110k. Ultimately I lost a race and came in 6th for a $190 cash, but what a ride!

It just goes to show that you truly only need a chip and a chair.
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Old 01-15-2017, 01:28 PM   #730
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Donkaments can be crazy. Sure you're more proud of grinding it out than if someone handed you their chip stack level 1 and you coast to 6th.
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Old 01-15-2017, 02:01 PM   #731
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Donkaments can be crazy. Sure you're more proud of grinding it out than if someone handed you their chip stack level 1 and you coast to 6th.
No doubt!
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Old 02-09-2017, 03:05 AM   #732
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Sup bros?!

Do any of you know the game Diplomacy?
I am hosting a global variant online but am likely about to lose a player.
I know it's a shot in the dark but I suspect there might be an intelligent player here without any connections to the other players in the pool. If by some fluke you already know the basics of Diplomacy that'd rock too.

How is everyone doing? It's been a while.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:54 AM   #733
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Hey Zeldark. Good to see you.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:16 PM   #734
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My thread lives!

I do play diplomacy, Zeldark, still looking for an opening?

Also, first call for Babarhaus diplomacy game.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:33 PM   #735
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Hey breich I think you owe us a trip report for your 3kth post.

Welcome back.
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Old 02-24-2017, 11:27 PM   #736
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Ask and ye shall receive, check the medium stakes.
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Old 02-24-2017, 11:57 PM   #737
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I can only keep up with the traffic in one poker forum.
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Old 02-26-2017, 06:00 PM   #738
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I think you just nom'd yourself.
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