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06-29-2012, 09:51 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
MP: 48/3 18/33/41 over 120 hands
BB: 66/20 66/20 44/46/49 over 86 hands
Merge - $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: $2.32
Hero (BTN): $6.41
SB: $1.95
BB: $1.18
UTG: $3.19
MP: $2.56
SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K  T
fold, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, fold, BB checks
Flop: ($0.22, 4 players) T  6  7
BB bets $0.05, MP raises to $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10, MP calls $0.05
Turn: ($0.67, 3 players) 8
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks
River: ($0.67, 3 players) Q
BB checks, MP checks, Hero ???
Bet seems really thin, but at the same time, with two opponents in here that don't seem super interested in the pot, i might get 1 call with something weaker, or i could be value-owning myself against a weak two pair, or rivered Q...I just am not really sure what to do.
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06-29-2012, 10:28 AM
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old hand
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
i bet the turn,
as played i bet the river since it went check check, by two different people on consecutive streets
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06-29-2012, 10:30 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
Doesn't betting turn open us up to getting c/r'd a lot? The flush just got there, 9x now has a straight, and a number of other hands pulled ahead of us.
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06-29-2012, 01:32 PM
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veteran
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
I'm on fence about turn. I def don't have a big problem with checking it back and calling one on blank rivers. Hate to pay a lot to see SD with what is ultimately semi-weak sd value (for such a coordinated board), or potentially getting raised off of tp. otoh, I hate giving a free card on drawy board.
As played, I think I probably bet river having been checked to two consecutive streets. Yeah, I think you'll see some mubsy 2pairs (even sets??) and QJ (and other KT for chops); but I think the 2pairs and sets at least should be discounted since no one is betting into you. And you'll also get some JT, 65, 75, 64s, maybe 22-55 to look you up ('cause you look like a steal at this point).
It's pretty close, though.
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06-29-2012, 04:09 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2010
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
what worse hand will call you?
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06-29-2012, 05:58 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
Don't bet the river unless you can bet-fold without hesitation.
I bet the turn. I'd bet AA (no diamonds) for value here, so why wouldn't I bet KT?
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06-29-2012, 06:28 PM
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veteran
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Don't bet the river unless you can bet-fold without hesitation.
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Yup. I didn't specify, but def agree that'd be a b/ F.
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06-29-2012, 11:47 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
I would have raised the flop rather than limp in. I like it better than giving the SB such a cheap price and giving the BB a walk.
Turn and river are both B/F imo. As played you can consider just checking back the river
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07-02-2012, 10:32 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
i'm usually raising preflop. as played the flop is interesting but we do have an equity edge so your option is fine. I don't mind the turn check since its difficult to justify bet/folding our straight flush draw. If we're ahead here on the turn we can easily be drawn out on, but folding to a raise in what is then a very large pot is a big risk. We'll regularly get a great price with a tainted draw thats hard to value.
I'm betting the river often but its not automatic. Our line is very face up so against thinking opponents I don't think we get paid off by worse hands. They could play better hands this way. Sure, we probably don't have that situation here but we also don't know enough to say they'll both pay off weaker quite often and also wont check a Q or 2 pair.
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07-06-2012, 03:44 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
Raise preflop.
It's thin between calling flop and 3betting, but 3betting is better imo.
Turn bet does open you to getting cr, but you can easily dump your hand if you do.
Given the turn check by the two in front, i like betting the river. You'll win more times than value owning yourself against either A 10 or two pair. If they didn't bet the turn, and they don't bet the river, they most likely don't have a straight
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07-06-2012, 04:27 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2010
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RecPlayer
Given the turn check by the two in front, i like betting the river. You'll win more times than value owning yourself against either A 10 or two pair. If they didn't bet the turn, and they don't bet the river, they most likely don't have a straight
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yeah...right! BB had 33 and called 3bet on the flop and MP had J10 (8 hands that you really beat... maybe sometimes they fold K10).
The more i see bet-raise-3bet advice the more i think LH is about right folding.
I think hero had 3d hand in this story
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07-07-2012, 07:48 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
MP's looking like a classic loose-passive fish if I'm reading his stats correctly. (48/3 definitely fits the profile of an LP fish, and then I'm interpreting 18/33/41 as his passive street-by-street postflop AFq.)
I'm torn on the river, particularly with BB likely holding some worse hand he'll call with, increasing our reward for a successful value bet. But I do suspect that if we bet the river we'll often end up discovering that we just bet MP's hand for him (and quite possibly that he was already ahead of us on the flop). I mean, I almost feel like we're hoping MP has exactly JT.
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07-07-2012, 11:45 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Tricky river spot in 6-max game.
You were reading the stats right Nick.
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07-08-2012, 12:07 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Schupick
MP: 48/3 18/33/41 over 120 hands
BB: 66/20 66/20 44/46/49 over 86 hands
Merge - $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: $2.32
Hero (BTN): $6.41
SB: $1.95
BB: $1.18
UTG: $3.19
MP: $2.56
SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K  T
fold, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, fold, BB checks
Flop: ($0.22, 4 players) T  6  7
BB bets $0.05, MP raises to $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10, MP calls $0.05
Turn: ($0.67, 3 players) 8
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks
River: ($0.67, 3 players) Q
BB checks, MP checks, Hero ???
Bet seems really thin, but at the same time, with two opponents in here that don't seem super interested in the pot, i might get 1 call with something weaker, or i could be value-owning myself against a weak two pair, or rivered Q...I just am not really sure what to do.
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I'd raise pre and bet fold the turn. I would bet fold the river as played.
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