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Old 11-20-2008, 01:12 AM   #1
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Thoughts about micros digest

So after doing the micros digest for over a year and going on a binge the last 3 days, reading all those posts I had missed the last few months made me think about what makes some posts really really valuable.

The micros is a great place to learn to play ABC. You will get your fundamentals down good. On the river, you learn to b/f profitably, just because nobody is ever sophisticated enough to pull out a bluff raise at these levels, even 2+2ers. You will get to play in a winning way against the competition up to the 2/4 level, just because there isn't that much to think about in terms of reads and tendencies.

But poker is a situational play. As you move up and up, simple hand posts will be very difficult to grasp without context, hence videos or session reviews are the best way to go. Or going over your play with a buddy (afterwards, I know how much you hate ghosting around here ;-) ). Hence a lot of HU or BvB posts here will be very difficult to address in a vacuum.

How do I grasp what a really great post is? I don't know, but maybe here are a few examples of what's not a post we learn from. That's not to say, it's not a tough spot for OP and he shouldn't make the post, it's just that it will usually not make the digest.

- Hands that only get 2 replies. Yes, I'm sorry if your question was really good, but apparently it wasn't of interest to the whole community, they didn't learn that much from it. That is not to say, your post wasn't good, it just didn't meet that much resonance.
- Quad hands, flopped sets, straights, boats, on dry boards, etc.
- When your high pocket pair faces overcards (these spots are really really common). While I feel everybody needs to work through them, it is a fundamental step in your learning ladder, most of the micros posters have achieved that step and the people reading the digest can therefore consult previous digests or the Wiki.
- Winrates, tilt, bankroll, when to move up, statistics. While definitely important to calm ones fears and get reassurance, most of the stuff is mentioned in the FAQs. Other stuff might be suited for psychology, beginner's, poker theory, internet gambling forums. Last, but not least, the stats thread is very good.
- Posts with more than one hand. Unless, and really unless, they are really similar or you absolutely need the first hand as a read for the actual hand you are questioning about. Unfortunately I have rarely seen 2 hand posts that are really similar, yeah, they are somewhat similar, but even putting villain from MP to CO while having KK makes the hand different.
- Hands that have not been converted correctly. When skimming through hundreds of hand posts, I don't have the patience to really sift through the stuff. Kudos here go to non-self-weighter for transcribing his live hands just like the DC converter!
- Locked threads, NL hands, meta stuff (the secret to the micros).

You'll know the good posts when you see them. Posts that make you go mhmmm, and made a lot of people go mhmmm. It's just the right balance. For example, I know a lot of Rookx posts are difficult and I have to think hard about them, but not all of his posts get a lot of replies, which I find interesting. Others get tons of replies just for being OP

I have learned to respect a lot of posters more and more for their strategy content. I've even seen posters get really good in a matter of time. Snitch used to post weird strategy, now he actually makes a lot of sense most of the time . I know I'm not mentioning a lot of people here, just the ones that stood out to me in some way or another to emphasize my point.

What is my point? Just that you contributions are not in vain. When you put a lot of effort into writing a hand post or when you grunch something very insightful, somebody out there is reading and is thankful, even if they don't say it. But I will say it right now:

THANK YOU MICROS
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:17 AM   #2
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:13 AM   #3
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Yay for bella! You've always done sterling work with the digest and in this forum generally. The digests are an invaluable resource, and I think I speak for us all when I say thanks for the hard work.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:43 AM   #4
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^ +1

And thanks for immortalizing my ignorance about "how much equity you need to cap" in your last digest. May it help others like these digests have helped me (and xylocain in that particular post) to work on my game.

Thanks!
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Old 11-20-2008, 06:35 AM   #5
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no, thankyou Bella for doing a tip top terrific job with the digests. Youve certainly set Bona a high water mark to aim for. I hope you continue to stick round theses ere parts but if youve moved on and up then I can certainly respect that

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Snitch used to post weird strategy, now he actually makes a lot of sense most of the time .
uh oh, i fear this is going to be the most controversial part of this post. lol.

thanks again for all your efforts, oz

ps people should bookmark this thread for the examples of bad posts so it can be reposted in appropriately bad threads.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:05 AM   #6
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ps people should bookmark this thread for the examples of bad posts so it can be reposted in appropriately bad threads.
No, again, the posts that don't make it into the digests are not bad. I mention the one with the PP with overcards to the board just because it's the most common (whiffed AK on turn, AA on scary boards, four flushes on the river, etc. are others). But the posts themselves are very necessary for new players to think through.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:38 AM   #7
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Thank you very much, bellatrix. I really enjoy your digests. You set the bar high for your understudy.

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Old 11-20-2008, 01:44 PM   #8
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Don't thank us. We thank YOU for the digests you've done in the past, as for the posts you're likely to be making still...
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:04 PM   #9
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no, thankyou Bella for doing a tip top terrific job with the digests. Youve certainly set Bona a high water mark to aim for.
Yes, thank you Bella.

Going forward I would like all posters to provide input on the digest. I am not sure how each of you use it, what you find useful or what you don't. The fact that I am not an excellent player will mean that I am not as good a judge of content as previous digesteers (new word I made up imo) So I look for guidance to make it as useful as I can.

I will always appreciate your pre-digest suggestions when you see a post you think should be included. PM me with them if you will. Also any you see me include that you don't think meet the mark. I learn by trial and error.
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:30 PM   #10
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I hope you continue to stick round theses ere parts but if youve moved on and up then I can certainly respect that
Also, here is the brag part of my post

Yes, I have moved up. My play is mostly 3/6-5/T (with occasional shottaking 8/16-10/20) online. Half of that is 6max, the other is HUHU. This certainly doesn't fit the micros posting. However, I will always look into threads here, especially challenges, HULA, NC threads and "toughies". I started at the micros, so this will always be my "home" at 2+2!
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:44 PM   #11
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As I've recently said, I've been away from the forums for ages so haven't seen Bella's work. But, in my two previous stretches at reading heavily, all the meta posts and digests were incredibly important to me as a reader. So it's good to see the tradition has continued and looks set to carry on.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:39 PM   #12
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uh oh, i fear this is going to be the most controversial part of this post. lol.
I agree... Snitch's post still don't make any sense imo!
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:24 PM   #13
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Who's that chick in the horror movie that appears if you say her name 3 times?

IT'S ME BITCHES!

I need to get that script that all the pros have that constantly scans all threads on 2p2 and emails them when their name is mentioned in a post.

Ohh, umm, OT... gw and grats again bella.
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:12 AM   #14
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Who's that chick in the horror movie that appears if you say her name 3 times?
Sorry for continued hijack. Well done Bella. Good luck Bona.

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Old 11-21-2008, 10:14 AM   #15
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Bella,

I don't know when Micro stopped giving good advice for 3/6+ 6m hands. I've always posted my 5/10 and 8/16 6m hands here to great effect, at least when I was still playing poker. If this trend has changed, please let me know so I can start banning people until it's good again.
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