Merge - $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $4.88
CO: $3.00
Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $2.50
BB: $10.15
UTG: $1.77

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A 9

UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, BB calls $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05

I raise here, because I have a good hand, but i also wonder if perhaps i am overvaluing a bit. Everyone here is like a 45/10 or more loose passive tha n that, so ranges are really wide, but fold buttons are also hard for some of them to find, and i wonder if it's a bit too marginal.

Flop: ($0.60, 6 players) T T 9
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.05, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold

Turn: ($0.75, 3 players) J
SB checks, BB checks, Hero ???

Bet? Check? I almost like a check better, because i like betting a lot of safe rivers and maybe getting crying calls from people who think i am bluffing. I don't know though. I don't think i can get 2 bets on these streets, so i think it's a bet here, or on the river, not both.

Pre-flop: Not terrible, because you have position and are a pretty good player. At the same time, you actually have a pretty bad hand for multiway play here (A9o is called the "gimp hand" because it's equity goes way down multiway versus even AT), so you should understand that if you are raising this, it's because you think you can exploit your position pre-flop. Believe it or not, against a bunch of loose passives, limping this behind on the button is actually fine too.

Flop: C-bet is standard, obviously.

Turn: I bet-fold. Obviously some hands (anything with a jack, KQ, Q8, 87) got there. And some hands (anything with a T) were already there. But against loose-passives, you can easily fold to a raise because anything that raises this turn crushes you. Meanwhile you are still getting value from all the crap that loose passives play, including hands with an overcard, gutshots (now anything with a king in it is calling you), OESD's (anything with a Q or 8), spades, small pocket pairs, weaker 9's, etc.

Indeed, for me, other than pre-flop, this is super-duper standard.

I think that turn card is scary enough, even to bad players, that they'd be folding underpairs, so I don't see enough value in betting hoping for calls from 9x, Kx, Qx, and 8x. A lot of hands just got there. They're in the blinds so their ranges are wide and almost anything makes sense except premiums. I check behind on the turn and smile when the river goes bet/raise. I'm bet folding safe rivers for value if checked to on a blank(6-).

That said I don't mind a bet/fold as I don't think you're getting bluffed often enough to tighten up your value betting range. It's just a scary card and I want to value check.

If it were heads up I'd definitely bet.

Pf is OK, I guess. I'm fine with an overlimp here, too (is probably what I do).

Flop is super-standard.

Turn-->at game speed I usually will be checking back and deciding on river (obv bet-raise action on river makes folding super easy, b/f a super blank river if checked to, etc; whether or not to overcall on blank river is the potential tough decision). I can see merits for b/f on turn, though: lot of draws and worse 9x out there. Not sure which is best.

I'd also overlimp pre and agree flop cbet is std

I think I like checking behind the turn unless I had a read on at least one of the villains that they were donkers, then I would prob cbet turn as well since they didn't donk

if we decide to cbet turn, shouldn't we b/c getting 10.5:1 with 4 outs to a FH or are we really afraid someone has a Tx hand at this point?

limp pre and dont bet the turn. that card is the worst possible turn card. and if b/f you screw yourself out of a possible 2 outer (or up to 4 outs vs a straight) in a good sized pot.

in multiway pots if you dont have value or bluff equity and the pot is big do what you can to make it to the river where you can win it.

Not just Tx, but also don't have 4 outs against J9.

Lot of Tx hands in their ranges, though, and I don't think we can discount them too much based on the fact that they didn't fast-play it, especially at low stakes (where villains imo more likely to auto-slowplay any strong hand, even multiway on a drawy board). So I definitely don't think we can assume we have 4 clean outs.

Even if we only discount our outs by 10% (average of 3.6 outs), that makes us 11.8:1 against hitting. (and fwiw, for reasons stated above, I'd discount a bit more than 10%)
Implieds won't make up the difference, either, since I don't think we can raise the river when we hit a FH ('cause worse or tying hands will typically call or fold, better hands will re-raise us).

Edit: Also note that if we got raised on turn by some Tx slowplay, and other villain holds 97, 98, Q9, or K9 (not unreasonable at all), he'll likely tag along in which case we're actually only drawing to a chop.

I'm actually shocked that anyone would bet/call this turn against fish, and also shocked that anyone would check it.

You should bet/fold a wide range of made hands against fish. They call with crap, wait for the turn with monsters, and don't bluff-raise.

im shocked at your inability to read hands and the board.

Kit:

What do you think is a fish's calling range on this flop? (Hint-- it's as wide as the Grand Canyon.)

Now, what portion of that range now beats us after the jack hits? In contrast, what portion is still behind but will call a turn value bet?

If you don't bet/fold this turn, you are basically opposed to the entire theory of thin value betting against fish in limit.