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Old 07-02-2012, 01:56 PM   #46
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

I'm not so sure. Yes NL is more complex, but you can pretty much nit yourself to victory just set mining. I think to be a winner in LHE requires much more in depth study. That is not to say that NLHE is not extremely complex.

Of course you should all take me with a grain of salt. I sufffer from the fatal flaw of not being able to fold on the river. This makes me a VERY bad player in big bet games.
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:42 PM   #47
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I'm not so sure. Yes NL is more complex, but you can pretty much nit yourself to victory just set mining. I think to be a winner in LHE requires much more in depth study. That is not to say that NLHE is not extremely complex.

Of course you should all take me with a grain of salt. I sufffer from the fatal flaw of not being able to fold on the river. This makes me a VERY bad player in big bet games.
You are talking about gaming conditions. Because LHE is played very close to perfect by a lot of people, it is harder to excel at it.
NLHE is not even close to be played good by everyone, so you experience success easier, hence you think the game itself is easier. Although your bolded statement is more indicative of live games and the lowest of micros online. I don't see people stacking off against a set regularly anymore.

But from a theoretical standpoint, solving NLHE is inherently more difficult.
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:52 PM   #48
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But from a theoretical standpoint, solving NLHE is inherently more difficult.
I don't disagree with this.
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Old 07-02-2012, 04:05 PM   #49
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

I agree that online NLHE is a lot harder than a used to be. I played some over the past year, and while I would love to say that it's flop a set and get it in, it's just not hat easy anymore. People don't stack off with AK on scary flops/turns like they used to.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:46 AM   #50
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

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But from a theoretical standpoint, solving NLHE is inherently more difficult.
Aren't you answering a question that no one asked?

Sure, the analysis of NL is harder. In practice, you can learn to beat NL games rather quickly. There are simple styles that profit. Be a nit or even better short stack. Profit. Is it harder to play (or even recognize) near perfect NL play? Probably. For a beginner who just wants to win a little bit, which game is easier? I'm guessing NL. You have fewer decision points and the decisions are often clear. ez game
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:54 AM   #51
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

But the question wasn't "which game will I have an easier time winning?". It was "which game is easier?". And the answer to that is LHE.
And the progression from LHE to NLHE has been made over and over again. It is NOT wrong for a beginner to start with LHE and move to NLHE after a year or so.

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Old 07-03-2012, 05:47 AM   #52
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

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But the question wasn't "which game will I have an easier time winning?". It was "which game is easier?". And the answer to that is LHE.
The question was: easier at micro level. Defenitely NL much easier.
No one reads hands,pay attention...just make good river decision and you ++++ regular. (in LH bad hand reading is not that huge leak i guess...)
A week ago there was a NL question here...the guy had J7o the board J-8-7 double suit one opp made huge overbet ten times pot and all-in ,another called and hero asking: whats wrong with my call?
easy game

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Old 07-03-2012, 07:55 AM   #53
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

NL is easier to beat precisely because it's more complicated. There are more factors to consider, like bet sizing, stack sizes, etc and therefore there are more ways for the worse player to make mistakes. If you make the game simpler, you're taking away the edge of the good players.

It's a bit like chess, the expert players generally prefer to keep the position complicated because that maximizes their opponent's opportunity to make a mistake.
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

"At all"?

Yes. I like your choice of words.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:53 PM   #55
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"At all"?

Yes. I like your choice of words.
Hadn't put a lot of thought into the words until you mentioned that they seemed odd...
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

This post makes me want to go back into retirement.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:43 AM   #57
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This post makes me want to go back into retirement.
I'm still on the "it isn't as bad as people make it" I think that's because i wasn't around in 2006-2008 so i have no idea what the really good games were like. I only have the reference point of the last 2+ years.
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:26 PM   #58
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

I read

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I'm still on the "it isn't as bad as people make it"
and started composing a post in my head about how you weren't around when the games were good.

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I think that's because i wasn't around in 2006-2008 so i have no idea what the really good games were like. I only have the reference point of the last 2+ years.
Self-awareness ftw. ni han.
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Old 07-07-2012, 02:33 PM   #59
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

I wasn't around when the games were really good either (see reg date), but even compared to when I was playing LHE (08-10), LHE isn't the best option, IMO (again, unless it's the game you really love and making money is secondary or lower.
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:05 AM   #60
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Re: Should I bother with LHE at all?

Honestly, I would say don't play LHE unless you can help it.

Let's face it, no matter what, a large part of your earnings will be due to the health of the games you play in. It's easy to draw an analogy with really talented people who try to play non-poker games professionally e.g. Magic: The Gathering or professional computer gaming. No matter how talented they are, they probably won't make as much as a mediocre poker player.

LHE just isn't where the money is at the moment, and the lower levels seem especially high-rake today -- there aren't many of the incredible rakeback/propping deals that I used to move up way back. No doubt there's more money in NL/PLO, so try and play these games if there's any way you can stand the tedium of big bet poker.
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