Originally Posted by Bob148
I'd either 3 bet or fold preflop depending on how I felt about the raiser and the players behind.
Yes I tend to agree with this approach, and tend to lean towards folding. I knew when I did it that flat calling seemed too weak-passive with KQo. It's ahead of a lot of an UTG opening range, but often dominated and put in tricky spots too. I just remember something from SSHE about even in small stakes games against a raise, the only offsuit holdings we should typically play are AKo and potentially AQo depending on the game. It feels a bit tight to fold it, but I just don't think it can be that bad and losing too much value by mucking it pre.
I think turn call is perfectly fine. UTG has some 9s in his range (99, A9s, K9s, maybe even as weak as Q9s raises there), but he certainly doesn't have to have one and I have 7 outs to a redraw if he does.
It does seem like most top pair hands bet that flop (AJ, KJs, QJs, JTs), so what is he betting the turn with? Looks a lot like a 9, maybe random two pair. The bet feels very polarized, like a gin gutshot straight hit or a very weak defensive bet.
I also thought a K or Q on the river could potentially win the pot if it was the latter.
However, once the player behind me calls the turn, AND the turn better leads into two players again after getting called twice, it didn't seem like a single pair wins the hand. I didn't feel like calling the lead on the river with a player behind was profitable.
Turns out, UTG had very random Ah4h.
Caller behind on river had KdQs.
Afterwards, I still felt like folding was correct only because a player was behind. But definitely was unsure, so really appreciate the thoughts.
I know losing decent sized pots in LHE is a big mistake vs losing 1 bet on the river, and I need to be very sure I don't have the best hand to forfeit the pot for only 1 bet, but I'm currently struggling a bit with trapping myself with that logic and spewing river calls in marginal situations because the pot odds are relatively big. "Hero folds" can be an expensive habit to get into, but sometimes, it just feels like you can't possibly have more than an 11% chance of winning it with a player behind and the action as played.
So I guess my question is, do you feel the KQ fold on the river is close, or are you guys like "snap call, not close".