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09-26-2016 , 05:05 AM

Sora

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Hi, i'm new to limit holdem, played only about 1k hands. I have a question regarding these types of hands.

I would like to know if it is worth a call if I knew that everyone will come along without raising as the player in the blinds seemed passive?

I'm thinking of a call because I would not like to raise with this hand vs the player who called before me because he seemed quite aggressive.

My pot odds would be 25% and when looking in pokerstove, this hand would win about 36% of the time vs 3 opponents, 43% vs 2 opponents.

Thank you

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Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

MP folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: (2.5 SB) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, CO bets, BB folds

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09-26-2016 , 10:23 AM

Rooksx

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Would definitely have raised preflop against any single limper. Open-limping preflop in six-max is almost invariably bad, so you want to isolate CO when you have the positional advantage. The fact that he's aggressive is even more of a reason to raise, as it suggests his limping range is weak.

If for some reason you don't raise, you must call. Folding is bad.

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09-26-2016 , 03:55 PM

ptrylb

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I'd raise, for reasons explained in Rooksx's post. Also, I tend to use raise/fold heuristic in spots like this (= non-blind position, facing single limper).

That said, with two loose-passives behind you, limping is also fine.

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09-26-2016 , 07:11 PM

Aaron W.

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Originally Posted by ptrylb

This is my position. As you get better, you prefer playing HU because you can maximize on your advantage better. However, there's nothing wrong with playing a hand like this multiway in position.

I'm not sure that folding this hand is all that awful (it would be with two limpers), but it's definitely leaving money on the table at this level.

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09-26-2016 , 10:07 PM

Bob148

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I'd raise preflop without a read that the limper had a super tight preflop limping range. These opponents only come around once in a great while. Once you see someone limp into a hand of limit holdem, you can peg them as a loose passive player until further notice. You'll be right >60% of the time imo.

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09-28-2016 , 11:23 PM

chillrob

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Just wanted to point out that the reason you are not folding preflop has nothing to do with the fact that you would have hammered the flop. You shouldn't have even shown that part, it is irrelevant.

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10-05-2016 , 03:47 AM

A_Schupick

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easy easy raise pre

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10-24-2016 , 09:02 PM

surefire

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pot odds shouldn't really matter too much at the start of the hand. you should use them to decide if you should pursue flush draws, straight draws etc.

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10-25-2016 , 07:57 PM

Bona

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If I understand your post (that is if you folded pre-flop) I would have posted it like this.

I think that might have changed some of the responses.

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Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

MP folds, CO calls, 1 fold, hero?????

fwiw I would have folded it, but I see the logic by those who suggested you raise it. I am, perhaps, a bit old school tight overall and very tight with Q high

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10-27-2016 , 12:20 PM

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jdr0317

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The suggestion that a limping range is weak from an aggressive microstakes player is way too simplistic IMO. This is the default play for a lot of these guys w/ QQ+.

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10-27-2016 , 01:07 PM

#11

Derp!

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

The suggestion that a limping range is weak from an aggressive microstakes player is way too simplistic IMO. This is the default play for a lot of these guys w/ QQ+.

This. It's not as black and white.

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