As a 2c/4c FR Limit player on stars, the rake reductions negotiated by the reps/stars are proving to be noticeable in my sessions.

So far, in over 5500 hands, I have a 0.38c average rake per 1000 hands. Prior to the changes I was paying rake on average 12c per 1000 hands.

It is a small sample size, sure. It is still a remarkable change. I have had 2 hands that have reached the 1c cap. At this rate it should add a couple of dollars to my BR by end of month.

The changes at the nanos should mean that lower level players can move up the food chain.

Are any other nano players seeing similar results?

I miss online poker

That seems like a pretty big deal in the long run. That's almost .3BB/100 which is massive imo.

The rake for Pokerstars 2c/4c Limit is 4.5% Rake with a 1c cap


I would have thought the rake I see in HM2 would have been 1c for 12c pots or above I win.

Up until yesterday rake wasn't kicking in at all until around 40c pots. Then yesterday, rake was kicking in much lower- on some pots in around 20c pot totals and not others.

I'm confused. What am I not getting?

is this a problem with HM2's output or a problem with the actual rake taken at the table?

It could be HM2. It is still quite beta-ish.

I did see a big drop in rake in HM2 when the changes came through from Pokerstars. I'll ask the HM guys if they have had any reports of incorrect calcs of rake since the changes occurred and verify what they have is ok. I

I don't know whether the rake in HM2 is a calculation or it is data retrieved as a number from the hand. If it is a calculation, it would need all the caps/% built into HM2.

Can't really see how the calc can be anything but 1c rake for 12c pot and above at 2c/4c.

To check the rake taken from the table I'd just check during your session. Pop up a table and calculate a few pots manually.

All the rake changes are still pretty recent. I don't exactly know but it seems like Holdem Manager has a lot of big stuff they're focused on with HM2 still being newish. Fixing the rake paid stats might be a bit low on their priority list.

Not sure, but hopefully you guys are paying what you expect to be.

I had a look at my last hundred hands emailed from Pokerstars. Sure enough, rake is 1c for pots of at least 12c.

HM2 is VERY wrong. I'll email them. HM2 is understating rake by a long way.
Here I was thinking my decrease in rake was quite large. Thanks dats for putting me in the right direction.

I wonder if this is just a nano limit FR rake calc problem for HM2 or wider.

Rake calc in HM2 is understating rake massively. Reductions are no way close to what HM2 is showing.

Capt36Feet, it looks like you had two nearly identical threads going. I merged them. Good luck with PS rake Q's.

You mentioned 4.5% rake with a 1c cap, shouldn't that cap occur when the pot hits 23c and not 12c? If you hit max rake at 12c, you've got 8.3% rake.

maybe its 4.5 up to 12 cents, 8.3 at 12 cents... and then above that it drops off since uve met the cap??

strange beans.

Thanks for the merge much appreciated.

This is the interesting thing. It is 4.5% rake according to the tables. However there is this from Pokerstars-

"Ring game rake will now be calculated as a true percentage using the ‘round half to even’ method of rounding."

So, a 10c pot is rounded to nil, but a 12c pot is rounded to 1c - so it really is an effective 8.3% as you suggest.

Pot size Effective rake% (1c cap)
<=10c NIL
12c 8.3%
14c 7.1%
16c 6.3%
18c 5.6%
20c 5.0%
22c 4.5%
24c 4.2%
30c 3.3%
40c 2.5%
60c 1.7%
80c 1.3%


Previously, the rake was 1c for ever 20 in the pot to a max of 4c

Got this reply from HM guys:

funny to get caught up in this conversation

but it seems pots less than 12 cents are not raked at all which is good.

based on average pot sizes in the current game its probably true that average rake taken from pots is ~4.5%

BUT, as players become more competent and micro games become more TAG the average pot size will decrease and drive up the actual rake taken.