Plus, If I Ignored You Before, then 2 Inches Aint Going to Change That (NC Thread)

[DougL]

Pay the extra $15.00. Ez game.

[dragon1893]

yeah, what's 15$ when you're a poker player?

[Aaron W.]

Originally Posted by dragon1893

yeah, what's 15$ when you're a poker player?

375 BB

[Jaxit]

Originally Posted by DougL

If folks are struggling at .25/.50, I might be convinced to shoot a couple vids.

+100

[JamesBJames]

The games are so bad that people are struggling at .25/.50?

Ew.

[DougL]

I'm going to go at some guesses.

1) For people moving up, the game texture is different than the limit just below.
2) I think this is the first limit 6m games are offered.
3) Though the games are soft, the players are aggressive.
4) The rake is something like 3x PokerStars -- marginal winners there would lose here.
5) Short term, variance, etc.

Spoiler:

6) Some of their opponents will be depositing on Harrahs.com and playing 10/20 as soon as it is available.

let's hope a chunk of those $ will be from the DOJ courtesy of our FT repayments.

[A_Schupick]

Originally Posted by dragon1893

yeah, what's 15$ when you're a poker player?

True, but I also would have to spend more to get HM2 for holdem. That's liek another 30.... so it's actually $45. I'm pretty unhappy about both.

[augwest]

Originally Posted by DougL

I'm going to go at some guesses.

1) For people moving up, the game texture is different than the limit just below.
2) I think this is the first limit 6m games are offered.
3) Though the games are soft, the players are aggressive.
4) The rake is something like 3x PokerStars -- marginal winners there would lose here.
5) Short term, variance, etc.

1 &3) true - the ratio of 45/25, 30/20, and 20/15 players per table goes up and there's very few (if any) nits 15/6 - also many more mutli-table regs at 25c/50c and more likely to sit with 3 or 4 "decent" reg's in the 30/15 range with 1-2 lags in the 45/25 range, and either a tight passive 28/8 or a fish 55/3 or a maniac - competition for the "bad" players rolls is much higher.

There's also a lot less abc play going on - you see a lot more semi-bluffs, bluffs, slowplays, and marginal showdowns, and as a result your semi-bluffs, and bluffs don't work as often - also barreling off your pre-flop aggression doesn't take down the hand as often and players don't "tip-off" their holdings as easily.

A lot of times the tables will break down and you will end up just playing the regs and if your not disciplined you'll continue to sit longer than you should cuz of my next point.

One of the biggest problems imo is table selection - when you're sqeezed between a couple regs or end up on their left, the game gets a lot more difficult (at least for me) and you get into many more hands that require you to play much better than lower stakes both pre-flop and post. Lack of nits makes blind stealing ip a lot tougher. Also ranging, hand reading, and adjusting to your relative position vs the villains at the table is a lot more important.

One of the oddities I may be seeing is that having a maniac on your left can be a good spot. If you open and the maniac 3b's, the regs tend to get out of the way without premium hands where otoh if the maniac is on the right and you iso-rs the regs think you're fos (which a lot of times at the lower stakes you were just trying to get hu with the maniac with marginal holdings) and the regs come along or cap with marginal yet competitve hands and now you're in a tougher spot with a maniac on your right and a reg showing interest on your left. It's odd cuz it seems like you can reverse iso-rs by opening wider knowing the maniac is going to raise and the regs think you are opening a tighter range vs the maniac.

2) false - but the 10c/20c 6m doesn't play very often and when it does it's usually reg infested as well

anyways - just some rambling thoughts - I'm still trying to work it out - my latest session review pretty much confirmed I'm playing confused/non-std in many spots both pre and post...

[A_Schupick]

30/15 means decent reg now? If so, i think the games are beatable, just based on if a decent player sees fit to limp that much, or CC that much there are some good spot to be seeing lots of flops, or 3!'g lighter, etc.

[JamesBJames]

I think it means the bad players aren't 90/0 bad.

[DougL]

I'm not all that eager to see a 30/15 as the "soft spot" in a game with that much rake. Basically, he may not be all that he can be, but a player like that is close enough to decent that he's not generating a lot of profit for you and may be taking the bad player's money from you.

[A_Schupick]

Originally Posted by DougL

I'm not all that eager to see a 30/15 as the "soft spot" in a game with that much rake. Basically, he may not be all that he can be, but a player like that is close enough to decent that he's not generating a lot of profit for you and may be taking the bad player's money from you.

I guess that's why i don't play those games then. The rake is just way to high that unless you are an exceptionly good play (DougL) then ti's kind of sketchy.

[augwest]

ya - decent, as in not good, but decent enough that it will take many more hands to beat him up - also 30/15 was short hand for the 30/20ish and the 20/15ish fairly balanced players and they're not open limping, overlimping, or cold calling in stupid spots. It's more like they play like me - not bad, not great, just OK...

if you're oop, they take away a enough of the money flow to impact your win rate or if your ip they defend blinds enough to put you in some tougher spots.

but I agree the games are definitely beatable - if only I would just play more consistently and stop making the really stupid mistakes...

[augwest]

Originally Posted by JamesBJames

I think it means the bad players aren't 90/0 bad.

also about as non-existent as the nits - I miss those guys

[Jaran]

Originally Posted by JamesBJames

I think it means the bad players aren't 90/0 bad.

nope...they've been replaced by the 78/56 players*