*The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

[A_Schupick]

Originally Posted by Kektek

I feel like this is a straightforward situation, but I haven't been able to figure it out. QQ out of position and a K shows up on the flop... do you lead out?


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.04 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls

Flop: (10 SB) 2 K 5 (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP3 folds

Turn: (6.5 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds

River: (8.5 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls

I like it, if you don't hit the flush on the river, i just c/c.

[Bulletproof Monk]

A3 dd AA

[fretelöo]

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk

schupick - hate it completely.

i dont raise the flop because your equity absolutely sucks and you get 3bet often.

as played i fold the flop to the cap because our hand is terrible.

i flat the turn because we are still probably behind UTG, he 3bets us often, and we dont want SB to fold.

river is just all kinds of wtf.... i would like to fold but now the pot is so bloated we probably need to call.

This, unfortunately. Two tight preflopper get into a raising war pre and on the flop and you ask what you're behind to? Turn is ok, river is - as he said - all kinds of wtf.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,940 games 0.005 secs 1,188,000 games/sec

Board: 4d 2d 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 12.121% 10.61% 01.52% 630 90.00 { 9d9h }
Hand 1: 87.879% 86.36% 01.52% 5130 90.00 { QQ }


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990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: 4d 2d 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.707% 39.80% 00.91% 394 9.00 { 9d9h }
Hand 1: 59.293% 58.38% 00.91% 578 9.00 { AdKd }

[A_Schupick]

Originally Posted by fretelöo

This, unfortunately. Two tight preflopper get into a raising war pre and on the flop and you ask what you're behind to? Turn is ok, river is - as he said - all kinds of wtf.

Fret, thanks for the second stove... I didn't know i was that far behind even that hand... I guess i thought i had more equity.

My question about the river though, is if villain can have QQ or KK, etc. then is a raise okay? I figured he could have something like this a lot, and just calling seemed to give away some equity i could get from those kind of hands.

Also, should I just open-fold the flop? Couldn't he be c-betting here a lot?

[fretelöo]

No to either. Would you call the river after all that action with a measly pair of QQs when even the last draw got there? I hope not. Open folding isn't great either. They still can have Ax a lot, especially since UTG just called SBs lead. So just call and see what develops, planning to never call more than one bet unimproved.

[Pid Koker]

A spot I'm not sure about:

Live, loose-passive game - a couple guys who are aggro post and like to check-raise, most will peel one or more cards. 3 or 4 limpers, hero limps K5s on BTN, blinds complete/check, ~6 to the flop. J85r, one of Hero's suit. Bet?

[Tosh]

No strong read except villain is 17/9 over about 100 hands, in which I haven't noted anything crazy. Should I be WA/WB from the flop donk? Do I need to find a fold after the turn cr?

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with A T
2 folds, MP calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP calls

Flop: (5.5 SB) A 6 5 (2 players)
MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls

River: (8.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls

[correllium]

Originally Posted by Tosh

No strong read except villain is 17/9 over about 100 hands, in which I haven't noted anything crazy. Should I be WA/WB from the flop donk? Do I need to find a fold after the turn cr?

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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with A T
2 folds, MP calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP calls

Flop: (5.5 SB) A 6 5 (2 players)
MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls

River: (8.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls

Smells like a set to me. Limping with 55 or 66 from MP seems about right for villain. The c/r on the turn, to me, feels like he knows you wouldn't have raised his turn lead, and he really wanted to get at least two bets in. With the stats on villain, I don't think he's capable of playing a weak A like this.

The flop donk just seems so weird to me on this board, like it can only be a set. Without a solid read that villain would do this with TP or air, I think we call-down from the flop and take a note.

[correllium]

First few hands w/ villain, no stats nor reads.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is SB with 9 J
4 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, BTN calls, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (4 SB) 7 4 8 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, BTN checks

Turn: (2 BB) Q (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP2 raises, BTN folds, Hero folds

Between limpfest and the check around, I'm honestly just trying to take the pot down here. My gut feeling here is just to fold: I don't have TP outs, but I have only 3 outs to the nuts (non- 10s). The pot is so small now, I'm folding here, right? (Since I'm folding UI on the river anyway.)

[OziBattler]

UTG+1 is 98/7/0.6 over 70 hands
But is 17/11/2.7 over 2k hands

i could have played his so many differnt ways, right?

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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 5 Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) 3 4 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, BTN raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, BTN calls

River: (10.25 BB) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, BTN calls

[GMan42]

Ozi: I hate the PF call, esp since it's not HU. Otherwise, seems OK...normally I only donk my one-card straights if the card that completes it is actually something they'd be afraid I hold, but with the megafish in between you and the aggressor I think you get the max bets in this way.

Question for everyone regarding PF, here, though: Am I too nitty defending my blinds b/c I don't even consider calling this? When I see Q5o I have the "check/fold" box checked and my eyes on another table before you can blink.

[Tosh]

Originally Posted by OziBattler

UTG+1 is 98/7/0.6 over 70 hands
But is 17/11/2.7 over 2k hands

i could have played his so many differnt ways, right?

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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 5 Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) 3 4 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, BTN raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, BTN calls

River: (10.25 BB) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, BTN calls

I would have folded pre. The button seems rather aggressive, so I think a turn check raise is reasonable too, UTG+1 probably calls 2 bets with anything he'd call 1 with given he's playing 98% VPIP.

[Cranberry Tea]

Originally Posted by correllium

First few hands w/ villain, no stats nor reads.

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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is SB with 9 J
4 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, BTN calls, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (4 SB) 7 4 8 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, BTN checks

Turn: (2 BB) Q (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP2 raises, BTN folds, Hero folds

Between limpfest and the check around, I'm honestly just trying to take the pot down here. My gut feeling here is just to fold: I don't have TP outs, but I have only 3 outs to the nuts (non- 10s). The pot is so small now, I'm folding here, right? (Since I'm folding UI on the river anyway.)

I don't like the bet at all. Trying to bluff people out of a small multiway pot against people who will call down with any pair can't be right imo. As played, easy fold.

[GMan42]

Correllium: Taking a stab first to act in a 4-way pot after an overcard to the board hits (that brings a FD, no less) is pretty bad. In position against two players I might do this if the turn is a total rag like a 2.

[Bulletproof Monk]

Originally Posted by A_Schupick

Fret, thanks for the second stove... I didn't know i was that far behind even that hand... I guess i thought i had more equity.

My question about the river though, is if villain can have QQ or KK, etc. then is a raise okay? I figured he could have something like this a lot, and just calling seemed to give away some equity i could get from those kind of hands.

Also, should I just open-fold the flop? Couldn't he be c-betting here a lot?

there are two villains.

if one of them can have QQ or KK its still terribad to raise.