*The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

[JamesBJames]

I was going to say c/f until I realized we just beat a huge portion of his pocket pair range, so put me down for c/c too, especially if he's induceable with hands like that.

I'm not a big fan of bet/fold because I'm not sure what we want him to fold. I doubt Ax ever gives up here when you yourself can have pocket pairs or, I dunno, T9, QT, or maybe some spewy Ax.

As for Bona, I'm not too sure because I don't get how those kinda spots work in tournaments. It looks okay to me, but I have no idea how to play tourneys.

[Tosh]

Am I value towning myself here?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 9 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with J T
5 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, CO calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 2 6 T (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

River: (5.25 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 9 players

Pre Flop: (2 SB) Hero is SB with J T
5 folds, CO calls, BTN calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, BTN calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) 2 J 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, BTN folds

Turn: (4.75 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

River: (6.75 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

[A_Schupick]

Originally Posted by Tosh

Am I value towning myself here?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 9 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with J T
5 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, CO calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 2 6 T (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

River: (5.25 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 9 players

Pre Flop: (2 SB) Hero is SB with J T
5 folds, CO calls, BTN calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, BTN calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) 2 J 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, BTN folds

Turn: (4.75 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

River: (6.75 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

Hand 1 i just check river, hand 2 i like.

[Tosh]

Originally Posted by A_Schupick

Hand 1 i just check river, hand 2 i like.

Check fold or check call? FWIW villain in hand 1 was a fairly loose passive 39/5 player.

[fretelöo]

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 3 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BTN: $76.84
SB: $25.00
Hero (BB): $32.01

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q A A 8
BTN raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.65, BTN calls $1.80

Flop: ($5.40) 8 K 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.13, BTN raises to $20.52, Hero folds

Yes?

[A_Schupick]

Originally Posted by Tosh

Check fold or check call? FWIW villain in hand 1 was a fairly loose passive 39/5 player.

With those stats, i would just check and call here.... a fold can't be to terrible, but i think a call is just slightly more +EV.

[JamesBJames]

Tosh, I think both of those are fine, and I can't really see why check/calling would be preferable. I mean, in the first hand, if you check, he's gonna bet anything better anyways, so get value out of worse Tx's, 6x's, pocket pairs, etc.

Fret, I think I would discard the QAA and draw three new cards.

[bozlax]

Originally Posted by fretelöo

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 3 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BTN: $76.84
SB: $25.00
Hero (BB): $32.01

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q A A 8
BTN raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.65, BTN calls $1.80

Flop: ($5.40) 8 K 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.13, BTN raises to $20.52, Hero folds

Yes?

Uh, no.

[bozlax]

Originally Posted by bozlax

Uh, no.

If you want to discuss at length AIM me, but basically:

* the only O8 hand with an 8 in it that should be raising pre you're holding
* if he were holding KKxx he'd have given you more action preflop; plus also his flop play sucks donkey balls
* this is most likely a hand like A23Kds with 2 and you're crushing that hand:

pokenum -o8 ac ad qs 8h - ah 2c 3h kc -- kh 8c 8s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing 8s 8c Kh
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Qs Ac Ad 8h 501 689 131 0 0 0 0 0.726
Kc 2c Ah 3h 131 131 689 0 208 0 0 0.274

(from twodimes)

He's only going to make a low 25% of the time, so you scoop ~5:1 and win hi ~7:1.

[4lysik]

Boz, all I know about Amaho I have from antneye's milestone but isn't this a fairly weak hand? I had the impression JT98ds or AA89ds were much more +EV.

Also, this apparently isn't O8.

[bozlax]

Originally Posted by 4lysik

Also, this apparently isn't O8.

True enough, but that just makes it better; KK still isn't out there and 8x probably isn't either, so you are holding the current nuts against, at worst, a 7-10 out draw.

Originally Posted by 4lysik

Boz, all I know about Amaho I have from antneye's milestone but isn't this a fairly weak hand? I had the impression JT98ds or AA89ds were much more +EV.

Any time you're holding AA in a game where at most two of your cards play, how can your hand possibly be weak?

[Kektek]

I think I should've bet the turn here. Would that have been correct? Also, if I had and gotten one caller, do I c/f the flop or bet?


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.04 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO posts a big blind (1 SB)

Pre Flop: (2.5 SB) Hero is MP2 with Q K
4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BTN calls, SB calls, 1 fold

Flop: (8 SB) 6 9 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, SB calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (5.5 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

[A_Schupick]

Originally Posted by Kektek

I think I should've bet the turn here. Would that have been correct? Also, if I had and gotten one caller, do I c/f the flop or bet?


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.04 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO posts a big blind (1 SB)

Pre Flop: (2.5 SB) Hero is MP2 with Q K
4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BTN calls, SB calls, 1 fold

Flop: (8 SB) 6 9 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, SB calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (5.5 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

I think i like it, the T makes it a pretty nasty card to try to bluff on, unless you are committed to a river barrell as well, because with the hitting you get a lot of cal from xxss and you would have to fire two barrels of it misses, and even then, he could easily call with weak TP or 2p hands.... so just checking seems fine, if it were HU, i would maybe consider a different plan.

[JamesBJames]

3-way, I bet that turn roughly never.

[fretelöo]

Originally Posted by bozlax

If you want to discuss at length AIM me, but basically:

* the only O8 hand with an 8 in it that should be raising pre you're holding
* if he were holding KKxx he'd have given you more action preflop; plus also his flop play sucks donkey balls
* this is most likely a hand like A23Kds with 2 and you're crushing that hand:

pokenum -o8 ac ad qs 8h - ah 2c 3h kc -- kh 8c 8s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing 8s 8c Kh
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Qs Ac Ad 8h 501 689 131 0 0 0 0 0.726
Kc 2c Ah 3h 131 131 689 0 208 0 0 0.274

(from twodimes)

He's only going to make a low 25% of the time, so you scoop ~5:1 and win hi ~7:1.

No one ever 4bets at 25PLO. BvB or not.