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Old 06-18-2012, 02:07 PM   #2401
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

+1 fold - our outs are tainted by the flush draw and we could already be losing to 2pr, slowp set or JT...
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:13 PM   #2402
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+1 fold - our outs are tainted by the flush draw and we could already be losing to 2pr, slowp set or JT...
Thanks, I did fold it at game speed, but in reviewing my hands and saw that 12.5 to 1 and started to question...
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:52 PM   #2403
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

Villian is a 42/2 with 19/42/70 aggression stats. over about 100 hands

Merge - $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $9.84
BB: $2.68
UTG: $3.21
Hero (BTN): $3.63

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q K

fold, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22, 2 players) 9 Q 6
BB checks, Hero bets $0.05, BB raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.05

Turn: ($0.52, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($0.92, 2 players) Q
BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, BB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.10
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:21 AM   #2404
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

this looks like a retarded amount of action with TP2K but you're the one who played 100 hands with this dude 4-handed.

edit: meh, i guess the river does pull us ahead of a couple hands (AA/KK/96) but this dude's stats look pretty passive and fit/fold so i think the flop->turn line is pretty srs bzns.
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:32 AM   #2405
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He's not really fit fold, at least that's not what i gathered, and I don't think the stats tell me that as much. He has aggression that goes up as the streets go on. I also think he is going to have a wider range out of the BB, because it's just calling. Turn raise was pretty scary. Also, aren't like 8c6c type hands in his range as well? or od you not think as much?
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:07 AM   #2406
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i think aggression increasing street-over-street is like the classical statistical signal for fit/fold but i'm not sure and maybe this newfangled AFq bull**** sorts that out. intuitively it seems like something is going on with this guy since i'm pretty sure my aggression decreases street-over-street.

you can have 86 if it makes you feel better. i'm sure that one combo really swings the needle on this decision.

if i 3! the flop and get c/r on the turn by a dude playing 40/2 at 4-handed .05/.1, i am ****ing terrified -- i am not putting him on some combo draw that he is cunningly exploiting by semibluffing you on multiple streets.

but again, this should be entirely read-based. you've had plenty of time to get an idea of what this cat is up to.
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:22 AM   #2407
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Okay, so you would play the same up until the river, at which point you just call? I suppose the rier was my real question.
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:44 AM   #2408
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

Okay, a lot of limping was going on at this 6max table even with Ax. Preflop I decided to overlimp and go for the flush potential because I knew I'd get some limpers behind me.

I was going to jam the flop with the nut flush + gutshot straight draw but only ended HU with one guy.

On the turn should I elect to take the free card or do I bet? The guy was a little on the laggy side but I'm sure he had a piece of the flop.

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $2.70
BTN: $0.48
SB: $1.18
BB: $4.01
UTG: $3.28
Hero (MP): $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 5 A

UTG calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, fold, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.25, 5 players) 3 8 2
SB bets $0.05, fold, UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, SB calls $0.05, fold

Turn: ($0.50, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero ?


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Old 06-22-2012, 02:18 AM   #2409
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I think betting here is good, because I don't see a reason should really think he has a piece of this flop, further I think with a A/spade/4 we win the pot, and with a 5, we might even win the pot. A-hi also has some value, so i bet because we are pretty close to having enough equity, if we don't.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:21 AM   #2410
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

Also, I think worse flush draws has o be considered, especially combo draws.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:01 AM   #2411
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

a_schu,

yes.

doc,

if villain is "on the laggy side but I'm sure he had a piece of the flop" then you should check. my default in this spot is to bet again, planning to check river ui.

a_schu,

they almost never have combo draws.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:19 AM   #2412
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

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a_schu,

they almost never have combo draws.
Why not? If the SB just completed and then bet on a FD/SD type board and just called the flop and checked turn, could he just have a draw that he is scared to play? he is on the laggier side, but not super laggy....
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:11 PM   #2413
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

a_schu: This does seem like you gave too much action at some point in the hand; I think probably on the flop. 100 hands, reads on what villain c/r flop with? How he's played a draw HU in past? etc.

Against only 19% flop agg%, though, I'd be a little concerned with just tpgk; might just call his raise.
As played on flop, turn is obv standard. Just calling trips on river would be a bit weak-sauce given the frush missed, so that street is probably standard too.
Flop might be marginally over-aggro, but it's close.

Doc: As a default I'd probably raise this pf, but it's not mandatory.
I probably barrel again against most villains and hope to get the occasional better Ax to fold or equity protection by folding UI xx mid-high cards (or alternately get value if the latter calls). Check back river UI.

If you know is a decent player who isn't going to fold better UI Ax, just check back turn.
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:43 AM   #2414
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Re: *The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

Villain is one of the better regs, and feel that i should have a well balanced strategy vs him. is this line standard from both our perspectives.

    Poker Stars, $1/$2 Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13323092

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 7 7
    2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls

    Flop: (4.5 SB) A 5 2 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

    Turn: (4.3 BB) Q (2 players)
    BB bets, Hero calls

    River: (6.3 BB) 8 (2 players)
    BB bets, Hero calls

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    Old 06-25-2012, 05:50 AM   #2415
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    Completely good line.
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