*The Official "Standard, yes?" Checkup Thread*

[tyler_cracker]

rugby,

yes, totally standard.

[danimaldan]

Originally Posted by McNeese72

I got lost in this hand.

SB is a decent 6max slag/tag. 27/18/2 over almost 200 hands.
UTG is loose and a little laggy. 60/10/1 over 500 hands. He tends to get a little passive post flop.
MP appears to be a lpp fish. 54/0/0 over only 48 hands

I get a free look at the flop.

On the flop I got bp, an oesd but the Q only gives me ass end, and poor backdoor FD. I check and when it comes one back to me, I decide to just peel. ???

On the turn but Q gives me the ass end of the straight and the bottom end of a straight FD, but completes any FD and gives any K a better straight. I was debating folding to any aggression but it gets checked through. I was thinking maybe SB could have whiffed on a c/r.

The river is a brick. I thought the SB would bet out but he checked. Confused and with three people to act behind me, I check. The lag bets, fish folds, and the SB calls. I'm getting 6:1 on a call but confused. HU with the lag, I probably call, but three way, I'm not sure.

Merge - $0.10/$0.20 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $3.90
Hero (BB): $11.87
UTG: $2.39
MP: $4.64
CO: $5.08
BTN: $5.68

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 8 9

UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, fold, fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.40, 4 players) 9 J T
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.10, MP calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.80, 4 players) Q
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks

River: ($0.80, 4 players) 3
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.20, fold, SB calls $0.20, Hero???

Tear me a new one, guys,

Doc

fold river

[Trex8063]

Downswong help, please; am doubting myself on what are probably simple spots....

Hand 1:

MP is a sort of weak-sauce TAG (semi-tag). Not much read on BB, but seems at least a little loose/bad.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with A J
Hero raises, MP calls, 3 folds, BB calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) 9 2 3 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero peels once????

Hand 2:
Villain is a TAG.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 5 T 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks (and considers bluff-catch on some rivers) or b/f????


Hand 3:
UTG is the MP from Hand 1 (weak TAG). SB is the BB from hand 1 (kinda loose/bad). CO seems kinda taggy (but clearly doesn't iso re-raise).

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with J 4
UTG raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls

Flop: (8 SB) 4 9 Q (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, CO folds, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) J (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises????

[tyler_cracker]

hand 1 easy peel, esp with the bdfd.

hand 2 is worth a thread, especially in lean times. i think there are good arguments for both plays.

hand 3 easy raise. uh, just noticed this is 4way and sb donked the turn lol. i think you still have to raise but it's less easy. this one might also be thread worthy.

[tyler_cracker]

THIS IS WHAT YOU GET, trex, when you post so many hands in one post. now we have ants!

[tyler_cracker]

off to rockies @ giants! later, skaters.


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[roadster99]

Originally Posted by Trex8063

Hand 1:

MP is a sort of weak-sauce TAG (semi-tag). Not much read on BB, but seems at least a little loose/bad.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with A J
Hero raises, MP calls, 3 folds, BB calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) 9 2 3 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero peels once????

Yeah, I do. 2 overs, a BDFD & BD wheel.

Originally Posted by Trex8063

Hand 2:
Villain is a TAG.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 5 T 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks (and considers bluff-catch on some rivers) or b/f????

I added content in the thread you started.

Originally Posted by Trex8063

Hand 3:
UTG is the MP from Hand 1 (weak TAG). SB is the BB from hand 1 (kinda loose/bad). CO seems kinda taggy (but clearly doesn't iso re-raise).

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with J 4
UTG raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls

Flop: (8 SB) 4 9 Q (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, CO folds, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) J (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises????

In all honesty, I may not even play this PF. That may be bad since we're closing the action PF for a small bet, but we're facing a TAG UTG raise. He may be weak, but he's tight. What are his PF raising stats? I'd hate to get stuck in a situation where I'm calling down w/TP only to be counterfeited by a kicker. What is it, 4 (including you) to the flop? The only situation where I would somewhat like my hand is a flush.

So we flop bottom pair & BDGS. Ok. I'd probably call, too.

What a card. Man. SB leads on the Turn w/a pretty draw heavy board. What type of hand does the small blind x/call the flop but lead the turn with? Did you get a read on hand #1 on what type of hand they donked into you with? I would hate to fold 2-pair here, but I don't see it as a strong 2-pair. If a , 8, 10 or K comes on the river, do you still feel good with your weak 2-pair? What a spot to be in.

Well, considering we're drawing to 6 cards to improve our hand, and if you count each as a full out, our odds to draw profitably is 6.67:1. Our pot odds are 6.5:1 which makes this pretty thin. Knowing this, I would say raise or fold, with fold probably being the action I would personally take. Which will probably be lambasted as a horrible decision.

*This is one of those situations for me that does not come easy and I end up kicking myself in the ass for calling PF to begin with. Which is why I would fold. I really don't know where I'm going with this hand. Would I continue if I were 3!? Should I call the 3! & fold to a river bet? Or should I just fold to a 3!? Or, what if UTG calls our raise, as does SB and we're donked into again on the river? If the river comes and SB checks, can I bet or should I check? If I choose to check, can I call a bet?

[nyrugby]

Originally Posted by roadster99

In all honesty, I may not even play this PF. That may be bad since we're closing the action PF for a small bet, but we're facing a TAG UTG raise. He may be weak, but he's tight. What are his PF raising stats? I'd hate to get stuck in a situation where I'm calling down w/TP only to be counterfeited by a kicker. What is it, 4 (including you) to the flop? The only situation where I would somewhat like my hand is a flush.

Not calling this PF would be a mistake. IMO

[Bob148]

Originally Posted by roadster99

*This is one of those situations for me that does not come easy and I end up kicking myself in the ass for calling PF to begin with. Which is why I would fold. I really don't know where I'm going with this hand. Would I continue if I were 3!? Should I call the 3! & fold to a river bet? Or should I just fold to a 3!? Or, what if UTG calls our raise, as does SB and we're donked into again on the river? If the river comes and SB checks, can I bet or should I check? If I choose to check, can I call a bet?

These are good questions to ask. It makes me wonder just how tainted our jack outs are on the flop. I have a love/hate relationship with the feeling I get when a loose/bad player donks the turn. I wouldn't be surprised to see QQ or K4 or anything in between. I raise and get to showdown if he reraises. If utg 3 bets or comes alive on the river I could find a fold if I don't fill up. If utg and sb just call the raise I'm bet calling the river(unless it's a really scary card) which may be wrong. It's probably a bet fold but I need a better read for that. I like to showdown a lot until I get good reads so I'm almost tempted to just call the turn bet and get to showdown instead of going for the thin(imo) value, but I still raise because of the "loose/bad" read.

[Trex8063]

Originally Posted by roadster99

In all honesty, I may not even play this PF.

I think pf is pretty standard.
Closing the action getting 7:1, I'm calling any two suited (even 72), just to play for implieds when I flop a flush/FD or well-concealed monster (like A-2-2 or K-2-7 flops, for examples, if I was holding 72s).

Edit: Even if SB had folded, I probably call pretty much any two suited getting 5.5:1 for the same reasons as above.

[nyrugby]

Villain is unknown, just sat down posted utg and checked his option. He donks river with 4 str8 on board. Call, raise/call 3bet, or raise/fold?


Merge - $0.50/$1 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $39.53
BB: $26.08
UTG: $15.00
MP: $40.65
Hero (CO): $16.70
BTN: $30.09

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50, UTG posts DB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero has 8 8

UTG checks, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, SB calls $0.75, fold, UTG calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.50, 3 players) 7 T 9
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($5.00, 3 players) 8
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.00, fold, UTG calls $1.00

River: ($7.00, 2 players) 2
UTG bets $1.00, Hero ?

[GMan42]

I think calling is fine. The river donk seems like it's usually either a random bluff or a panicky "oh crap let me make sure I get value on this street" play with the str8, so there's no value in raising.

[roadster99]

Villain is 30/12/52
665 hands
3! PF 8%
CBet flop 89%
CBet turn 88%

The 3! PF, I thought polarized their range a bit. They're not one to raise PF, let alone 3! Considering they're 3!'ing OOP (I'm not sure they're one to recognize that), I'm either thinking they've got some sort of pair 10+ or have me beat A-high. What makes me stop to think is their CBet flop/turn %. It seems they'll barrel off pretty much most of the time. ~90% seems pretty high.

Standard fold?

Merge - $0.10/$0.20 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $4.90
Hero (UTG): $4.99
MP: $7.80
CO: $5.07
BTN: $5.85
SB: $8.24

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K Q

Hero raises to $0.20, fold, CO calls $0.20, fold, SB calls $0.15, BB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10

Flop: ($1.20, 4 players) 4 4 6
SB checks, BB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, fold

Turn: ($1.50, 3 players) 5
BB bets $0.20, Hero ??

[Trex8063]

UTG is touch loose/passive fishy.
SB is taggish.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with T T
UTG calls, 2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, SB calls

Flop: (9 SB) 7 4 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, SB folds

Turn: (5.5 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls

River: (7.5 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls


River call standard without specific read?

[Trex8063]

Originally Posted by GMan42

I think calling is fine. The river donk seems like it's usually either a random bluff or a panicky "oh crap let me make sure I get value on this street" play with the str8, so there's no value in raising.

+1