OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

[shining00]

Hey, I'm fairly a new player, started to play a lot of micro LHE in last 4 months. Here is my stats from about 48k hands of .05/.10 and .10/.20 games.

Should I play with more hands and raise with more hand?



This is my first post in the forum,

and best wishes from China,

Ning

[DougL]

Welcome to the forums.

I'd give you exactly the same advice I game Inxu. You need a book to talk about preflop play and a starting hand chart. Basically, you are playing preflop without regard to position. You are limping a lot of hands. You are playing the same hands with a raise in front of you as you would if it were folded to you. You need to become aware of position in your play, so you play tight up front and start out raising every hand you play. Since people raising have strong hands, many of the hands you'd normally play cannot come in behind a raise.

You're winning because you're playing in soft games and you are tighter than many of your opponents. That's good. Now, work on your preflop play and your game will improve a great deal.

Good luck.

[ahmetcemil]

hi, thanks for help...i dont know my leaks, and i dont know when to move up higher limits

[Grromit]

@all
In addition to the usual stats please include raise first in% (PT) or unopened raise% (HEM) by position. Also flop, turn, and maybe river cbet% (overall). Winrate by position can be helpful too but it's less relevant.

Don't crop the summary rows!

@ahmetcemil: Your BB VPIP is < SB VPIP. That has to be wrong. Your other stats look very good. Maybe you're a bit too tight overall but maybe that playing style is best for your postflop skills. Hard to say. You're beating the games though so you should be able to play a few more hands.

[ahmetcemil]

@grromit

BB vpip<SB vpip i dont know if this is normal but i checked last 3-4 stats their BB vpip<SB vpip too.

[OziBattler]

forum upgrade bump

[Admania]

Hey everyone, I recently made the exodus back to FR from SH. I have put in 50k hands over the past few weeks at 0.50/1 and 0.25/0.50 and I was wondering if you could have a look. Felt like I've ran pretty decent tbh although I had a bad downswing at 0.25/0.50 to begin with and it took me 13k hands to get back to break even. Anyways any thoughts would really be appreciated. Also I made a post about the 1st 4 positions in WITHG which I have been playing, I feel it may be on the tight side, would be great to hear your thoughts.

[Arseface]

does anyone know off the top of their head where i can get some 3-4max stats

or a link to someone who is a winning player and has posted stats of this would be much appreciated, thanks.

[3.14RawManiac]

Originally Posted by Admania

nice stats, but u could be a bit looser, up to 20% especially at o.25, u never coldcall, I think there are spots for doing it profitably especially with speculative hands. With good tableselecting u can openlimp in EP, there's a guy with vpip of 27 at stars FR and pretty decent winrate. BB defence is good, ATS is much lower than mine, I have it at about 45% and it pays. WTS is too low, they often bluff u out of ur best hand

[Grromit]

I'd raise more before I started cold-calling.

Originally Posted by Arseface

does anyone know off the top of their head where i can get some 3-4max stats

Those stats should be no different than 6-max stats with UTG and HJ cut out. What exactly are you looking for?

[DougL]

Originally Posted by Admania

Hey everyone, I recently made the exodus back to FR from SH. I have put in 50k hands over the past few weeks at 0.50/1 and 0.25/0.50 and I was wondering if you could have a look.

You are slightly on the tight side of normal TAG FR. You're opening less than 4.5% of your hands UTG, which is snug. I'd check out the micros library and see if you can find a chart. More on this later...

I didn't know that winning near 58% of your hands at showdown was even possible. Maybe it has been a while since I looked at FR stats. If I win at 48%, souls are crushed. Maybe I only know the monkey style of pressing call and seeing if I win.

You have a nice WR. You've won almost 500 bets for .5/1. That's an entire 1/2 BR. From your $/hr, it looks like you're 7-8 tabling. I'm not sure what your goals are for playing poker, so this next part might not be accurate. You're playing a tight style suited to a mass tabling FR reg -- you won't face as many tough spots b/c you're keeping out of trouble. If you could do this at 3/6, you'd be > $50/hour after rakeback. I'm not sure why you'd grind this much at .5/1 because the money ($7-$10/hr after RB) doesn't seem worth it. Add in 50K hands in a month or month and a half, that's 100 hours of playing. You're making micros poker a half time job. If this money is enough, you're doing it exactly right.

Here's the issue. You mentioned playing 6m and coming back to FR. Your stats look like someone who doesn't have much SH experience. You're folding your BB to steal > 50% of the time. Your ATS is pretty low. You never cold call, even though I suspect there are spots to profitably do it 2nd or 3rd in. To move up to 1/2 and 2/4, you need some shorthanded skills even at FR. The games will become tighter and more aggressive. You'll start to run into good LAGTAGs. I assume someone who's 8 tabling 20 hours a week is trying to make money. The only way to really make money is to move up. The fact that you're really conservative and 8 tabling gets in the way of this.

So, nice stats and great job winning over a big sample. You should have the $ to add 1/2 into the mix. You should really look at your poker goals and see what you're looking for. I'd guess you should play fewer tables and consider putting 6m play back in the mix.

[3.14RawManiac]

My stats since I started working on check\raises, just 0.25\0.50, what do u think?

[DougL]

I'm slightly concerned by how often you donk. Is that stat accurate? You're donking > 11% of the time? That's like 1/3 to 1/2 the time you hit a pair.

Your stats look like totally standard 2+2 TAG. You're on the tight side in the blinds, but at this limit it doesn't matter. Your stealing looks good. You could play most of these stats 5 limits higher. 2BB/100 is great and you've done it over a nice sample.

A quick calc says you've made 1400BB playing. It looks like you're 8 tabling. Same question as Admania, have you considered why you're playing? Be aware of your goals. Maybe 8 tabling is fun. Just be sure that you're grinding for good reason.

[Admania]

Mr Rawmaniac

Very nice stats and it's good to see as they are at a limit I'm playing to, let me know your screenname so I'll try and avoid you lol ).

I think for me I'll try and open up my button and small blind raising range and just keep very tight in the 1st 4 for now.

Dougl I appreciate your comments and a lot of what you say makes sense. You said something about keeping out of trouble and I think that's pretty spot on. I do seem to be able to know when to ditch hence the high w$sd although I'm sure on occasions I'm getting rid of the best hand.

You mentioned something about the stats not looking like a 6max player coming over to FR. I was defending more from the big blind at 6 max fbb to steal was in the 38% range whilst playing there, maybe I should start adopting that. One thing in my game I believe I struggle at is blind play, you know calling from the big blind being out of position and then ditching when missed, playing back and knowing when to do so is something I would love to learn how to do better as my c/r has always been on the low side whether it's 6 max or FR.

I know you made a point about mass multi tabling, I'm generally playing around 11 tables at the same time and I've switched off the hud since coming back from 6 max cos it's frankly too much info overload. I think for me I'm trying to regain some confidence in my game.

A bit of history, beginning of 2010 I moved from FR to 6 max and started playing 0.50/1 with strict seat and table selection, played about 40k hands did really well with a winrate of about 1.8BB/100 moved to 1/2 played about the same winrate 1BB/100, moved to 2/4 sameish hands had a downswing but recovered winrate around 1.4BB/100, moved to 3/6 had downswing right off the gate, recovered to breakeven after around 30k hands. This took me to October and I decided to make a play for Supernova status. So I 6 tabled at 0.50/1 and 1/2 with slightly profitable play and made Supernova.

I had gained a lot of confidence through 2010, 2011 shattered this. I thought if I could knock in 300k vpp's it would give me a reasonable amount of income and if I could make a little profit on top of that would be a bonus. Anyways started 6 tabling 1/2 and soon got into a downswing in Jan and then in Feb, in March I played much less hands and went to strict table seat selection mode and won at a clip of 1BB/100 at 1/2

I then kept playing 1/2 into April 6 tabling still with table selection but not as strict and then went through a crushing 700BB downswing where I swear I couldn't catch anything, whatever I had got beat somehow, it was soul destroying. Since then I'm either playing bad or running bad, probably a combination of both. I played around 30,000 hands at FR as well last year similar to my stats above. at 0.50/1 25k hands I was losing at 0.5BB/100 and at 1/2 5k hands at 2.2BB/100.

At the end of last year I reverted back to 6 max 0.50/1 with strict table and seat selection and just ran badly I believe and ended up around break even over about 30k hands.

So last year was a killer for me, I honestly felt like I could not get a break over 100's of thousands of hands which brings me this year. I have reverted back to FR to see if I can get back on track. Psychologically not in a great place because although my graphs look fine I have played way more than this in hands with nice looking graphs before getting crushed. Maybe I'll post my 30k hands at FR last year which just look horrible however not very different at all to the way I've played this year.

So I',m going to get a good ton of hands in at these limits to be comfortable that I know I am beating these games, then I'll start to move up and I will start to play less tables and concentrate on game selection which can be difficult as there's not many games running at certain times.

Anyways sorry for the rant, that's my story and once again very nice stats Rawmaniac

[Jaxit]

My last 23k 6-max hands:



FWIW:
SB to Steal: 610 trials
BB to Steal: 646 trials
BB to SB Steal: 269 trials

Are there any major/minor issues here that I need to address?

Jax