OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2) - Page 5 - Micro Stakes Poker Forum

tereg · 04-12-2010, 01:38 AM

The red line in LHE does not mean the same thing as it does in NL.

You should expect the red line to go down in limit. It is the nature of the game for it to be that way. You are going to showdown more often and it is more difficult to brute force take down pots postflop in limit (generally speaking -- this can be different if you know the kinds of players who you can run over) than it is in NL.

The red line going down in limit is not a leak.

NigelSmith · 04-12-2010, 08:56 AM

Searix,

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Originally Posted by prfsr_cain

You seem to defend your sb too much.

And when you do defend, you don't 3! enough to my mind. Try filtering your DB to see the how you are doing when calling a raise, steal or otherwise, in the SB.

I've only got a few Rush hands on you so they may not be representative, but your flop AF/AFq was a lot lower than your turn figures and you were waiting for turn raises a lot. Often against villains who, I reckon, would have 3! a flop raise and led the turn for you. Again, filter and review.

As others have mentioned, WTSD is too high, CCPF is much better *if* you have good reasons to CC and not 3! the times you are still doing it.

**Leroy2DaBeroy** · 04-12-2010, 09:32 AM

Ozi:

Your c-bet stats seem low. I'm probably too high at ~97%, but I think you should be in the 92-95% range for the flop. Turn is maybe a touch low as well, IMO - I think it should be in the 70-75% range.

Biggest issue I see is that your ATS is really low across the board (CO/BTN/SB). I'm at ~30/37/57 and someone said I was too low in the CO/BTN. I'd really think about opening up your ranges there (maybe work up an ATS hand chart so you've got something concrete to work off of?)

I think your WTSD is marginally too high (I'm less familiar with what's normal for 10-handed tables). I'd work on getting it back down towards 37% like the lower limits.

I don't see your Blind Defense numbers, but you don't seem too out of line from a BB/100 results standpoint so ymmv. It does seem like you might be straddling the 3!/don't 3! line with your PF ranges from the BB. I'd expect something higher if you're going to 3! and lower if you were not (and were just 3! for value in non-steal situations). It's possible you're playing too polarized out of the BB and having ranges that are too easy to read. I'd also expect your SB 3! % to be a touch higher as well, but without SB defense numbers to compare, it's hard to say. I'm assuming you know to 3! any hands you're going to play from the SB vs. an ATS.

Duff86 · 04-12-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tosh

Sort of, though I don't want to look at the steals I 3 bet against, just the ones I flat call. I feel a bit like I'm folding too often to continuation bets on the flop but at the same time if I don't catch at least a small piece of the flop I can't see how I can continue without some very spewy lines.

c/r bluff dry flops vs CO, BTN, SB opens...they probably missed him too.

prfsr_cain · 04-12-2010, 11:55 AM

Ozi: I agree w/the ATS. Open more hands. One stat that I like to look at is RFI (raise first in).

Notice that as you move up levels, your VPIP goes down. I did the same thing when I moved up from 25c-50c. Then I started playing more hands. My winrate went up.

Other than that, variance?

And you removed your winnings, but not winrate. Basic math ftmfw!!

**OziBattler** · 04-12-2010, 12:13 PM

thanks for the feedback (but dont stop giving it just cos i replied

), i'll use it to take a look at a few things and run a few more specific queries etc when im not as tired as i am go.

but for now, as far as ATS goes remember im playing LOTs of tables and especially at 2/4 and 3/6 regs play back alot and tough HU spots suck when you have little time. im not using that as an excuse but i do sometimes feel like im bleeding in spots when i get played back at when i try and steal so if i tighten up a little i can avoid some of these spots.

before i posted my stats i was thinking that my opening ranges in steal spots was decent and is not the reason for my overall results.

as far as W2SD goes, yes i feel i pay off too much and its crept up as a result of 'i dont believe you have it' attitude i get with some regs who can do things like CR semibluff turns.

**Leroy2DaBeroy** · 04-12-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OziBattler

thanks for the feedback (but dont stop giving it just cos i replied

), i'll use it to take a look at a few things and run a few more specific queries etc when im not as tired as i am go.

but for now, as far as ATS goes remember im playing LOTs of tables and especially at 2/4 and 3/6 regs play back alot and tough HU spots suck when you have little time. im not using that as an excuse but i do sometimes feel like im bleeding in spots when i get played back at when i try and steal so if i tighten up a little i can avoid some of these spots.

before i posted my stats i was thinking that my opening ranges in steal spots was decent and is not the reason for my overall results.

as far as W2SD goes, yes i feel i pay off too much and its crept up as a result of 'i dont believe you have it' attitude i get with some regs who can do things like CR semibluff turns.

Play fewer tables, IMO. I think somewhere in the 16-18 tabling range at a combo of 2/4 and 3/6 is SNE pace at 40 hours/week.

And WTSD creep is very real. Something I need to work on myself.

nine9 · 04-12-2010, 01:11 PM

Working on my game...
Still reading SSLH trying to apply it PF, probably have some decent leaks but I totally want to beat 0.1/0.25 within some months.

Comments ? bet more call less ?

JamesBJames · 04-12-2010, 02:54 PM

Tone down the aggression?

Also, is that 6-max or full ring?

nine9 · 04-12-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBJames

Tone down the aggression?

Also, is that 6-max or full ring?

yeah, been working on betting less on the big streets actually.. weirdly i don't raise enough PF but too much later.

and that's a mix of 6m+fr so maybe not meaningful at all ?

This is just 0.1/0.25 FR :

**OziBattler** · 04-12-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

Play fewer tables, IMO. I think somewhere in the 16-18 tabling range at a combo of 2/4 and 3/6 is SNE pace at 40 hours/week.

And WTSD creep is very real. Something I need to work on myself.

fwiw i have only been doing about 16-18 tables this month anyway .....even if i wanted to 24 about half those are 1/2 simply because there isnt enough at 2/4+

prfsr_cain · 04-12-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

Play fewer tables, IMO.

Blasphemy!!

RuNic · 04-13-2010, 05:29 AM

I hope this is suitable as a stats question, and for the record this is not a disguised bad beat post. If i play 1000 hands in a night, it it normal to run into 2-3 occurances of overpair over overpair (AA vs. KK, QQ vs. KK) in that many hands, or am I currently on the wrong side of variance? This is 10 handed fullring fwiw.

Stormbringer · 04-13-2010, 05:42 AM

You get KK ~0.5% of the time, and then, against 9 opponents, there is ~4% chance someone's holding AA. So you're just running bad!

But you know what, there are so many unlikely things that can happen, so that one of them actually do is very likely!

:-)

ontiltagain · 04-13-2010, 01:56 PM

I am trying to stay positive ,thinking this is a bad run of things.The first 40k hands at .25/.50 I was at 1.5BB/100,then I started paying for the crimes of a past life or something.I review every session and the 2 things I'm seeing are 1)not really getting many playables from any position and 2)I need to work on 3! from the blinds more,feels like I'm calling from BB and c/f a lot.I'm also still trying to open more hands,its a process.In 4+ player pots,in late position Ive just been calling smaller pairs,should 3bet these also against that many opponents?

All feedback is appreciated!

This sample is only 4 days of play,I still have hopes to recoup this week.