OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

[dragon1893]

Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

Flop c-bet seems low. Are you getting cold-called a lot or ending up in multi-way pots somehow?

I know many people like to cbet 100%. But I disagree with the concept. I won't cbet certain flop textures if it hit my opponents ranges a lot and/or if i have little fold equity on the flop.

Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

Other than that, only issue I see is that your steaks are too low.

Meh

Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

(I think FBBtS is probably fine for these limits, but you could lower it a bit 1-2 limits higher.)

It's normally way lower I think. Was surprised by the numbers.

Originally Posted by shuinthehouse

as you noted 3! is too low from CO and btn and should obviously be trending up, not flat. FWIW Oink posted guidelines at some point which I kept in a poker notes s/s, they were

HJ 8-9%, CO 12-13%, OTB 18%.

I think the sample size is a bit biased here since I normally played in loose passive games and sample size too small. I don't think there are enough spots to 3! at the stakes I played. I played generally in loose passive games with hardcore game selection. Hard to 3bet a limper.

Originally Posted by shuinthehouse

You should be stealing at least 50% otb, 46% is too low for your skill at these levels.

Maybe something I should review. People around here are normally on the nitty side. I remember getting called out for opening T8o in CO and K4 OTB. Maybe I should add them to my ranges again.

[Leroy2DaBeroy]

Originally Posted by dragon1893

I know many people like to cbet 100%. But I disagree with the concept. I won't cbet certain flop textures if it hit my opponents ranges a lot and/or if i have little fold equity on the flop.

You don't have to get to 100% (you'll notice I'm only at a touch over 97%), and perhaps it's different at 6M or at these limits, but I'm oftentimes surprised when my c-bet takes it down on a drawy or middling flop or whatever. I think positionally, it can also buy you a lot of free cards.

I'm curious as your turn c-bet %.

Edit: Try a filter for times you c-bet the flop when you didn't have a pair and see what you get.

[dragon1893]

Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

I'm curious as your turn c-bet %.

Edit: Try a filter for times you c-bet the flop when you didn't have a pair and see what you get.

I like to induce quite a lot at these stakes. I remember Party having many retards that would take a stab liberally if you checked to them. If you only wanted 1 bet to go in on turn and river, you could just check to them and let them do your job.

There was one thread last month where I argued with Boz about it. He said you need a read to make that play. Well, I can develop reads quickly.


And those stats are from december-january.

If i look at my stats this month at 6max, I'm playing 32/24. I think HUHU experience is helping me to lag it up even more.

[VDownSwingV]

Originally Posted by shuinthehouse

as you noted 3! is too low from CO and btn and should obviously be trending up, not flat. FWIW Oink posted guidelines at some point which I kept in a poker notes s/s, they were

a. HJ 8-9%, CO 12-13%, OTB 18%.

b. You should be stealing at least 50% otb, 46% is too low for your skill at these levels.

a. +1
b. i'd be REALLY surprised if it gets folded around to reach 50% atts OTB.....even in the micros

c. samplesizeaments! @ dragon

[shuinthehouse]

Originally Posted by VDownSwingV

b. i'd be REALLY surprised if it gets folded around to reach 50% atts OTB.....even in the micros

wat? atts % is based on opportunities to steal, it's only an opportunity if it gets folded around

[VDownSwingV]

Originally Posted by shuinthehouse

wat? atts % is based on opportunities to steal, it's only an opportunity if it gets folded around

obv i'm not paying attention

[JQPublic777]

at .25-.50 and .5-1., i don't think a flop cbet percentage over 90 percent can be optimally profitable. There will be a lot of multi-way peels and you're just donating to a pot in which you don't fair well equity wise.

Also, at .25-.50, it's hard to get your 3-betting percentage in the 10-12% range because of so many limped pots.

[1peterdragon]

Small sample .25/50 fr

running hot i know

[JQPublic777]

1Pdragon, what's ur hourly at FR? I think i'm about to make the conversion.

[1peterdragon]

Originally Posted by Distajo

1Pdragon, what's ur hourly at FR? I think i'm about to make the conversion.

I'm not sure. Not worth it imo

STAY AWAY PLSE

[JQPublic777]

it's gotta be over 10/hr b/c you're always up high on the PTR's "top winner list" for our stakes.

[1peterdragon]

Originally Posted by Distajo

it's gotta be over 10/hr b/c you're always up high on the PTR's "top winner list" for our stakes.

i put in around 85-100 hrs a month

[NigelSmith]

Originally Posted by Distajo

Also, at .25-.50, it's hard to get your 3-betting percentage in the 10-12% range because of so many limped pots.

As with ATS, your 3!% is based on your opportunities to 3!, so this doesn't make any difference.

Passive villains will lower your 3!% though -- if your average villain only raises his top 5% your 3! range will tighten up as well. I think we see a similar trend with FBBtS -- when most "steals" are actually value raises we have to defend less.

I think Dragon's ATS% suffers from the opposite. When the blinds are loose and more likely to call we should probably back off the stealing a bit and look for value raises instead.

[dragon1893]

Originally Posted by Distajo

1Pdragon, what's ur hourly at FR? I think i'm about to make the conversion.

yesterday i played 400 hands of huhu, 150 of 6max. I just couldn't find a profitable fr game, otherwise i would also play it.

do you see where i'm getting at?

[ontiltagain]

I think I got some of my issues resolved, but apparently I still have opened up enough.I'm really trying to get to about 19/13ish but I'm just a nit at heart.As aside note,it seemed I ran pretty poor over these last 2 days.

Like always your feedback is appreciated
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If I didn't fold the small pairs in early position,and folding KQo to a early raiser....I think that would get me closer to my goal of 19/13.But I think both spots are leaky if I add them in,any thoughts wise peoples.