table is 4 handed - everyone's loose-aggressive/bad (including me )

CO is 42/21/2.0 (25) wtsd 33
SB is 48/12/2.7 (199) wtsd 36 - donk paired flop 2np, donk flop TP, aggro with turn draws
BB is 42/18/2.4 (173) wtsd 35 - pf 3b pp's AA-66, aggro with turn draws


Merge - $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $7.51
SB: $3.51
BB: $5.34
UTG: $9.64

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q 9

UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, BB raises to $0.15, UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.47, 3 players) J 6 T
BB bets $0.05, UTG raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, BB raises to $0.15, UTG raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10, BB calls $0.05

Ok so I have odds to draw - both times...


Turn: ($1.07, 3 players) 3
BB bets $0.10, UTG raises to $0.20, Hero ?

Ok so I have odds to draw again ~7:1 - even if it comes back capped again I'll be getting ~10:1 to call again, but do I really want to pay 4bb?

I dont think 7:1 is the correct odds to be using here. Ithink its reasonable to assume it will get 3! or capped

Does this mean you feel the hero should call?

i call. worst case we're getting 4.5:1 with implied odds. In reality the situation is usually much better and even the worst case is ok. We're essentually always holding the nuts when we hit and we'll get some bets in there.

At this point it appears you're up against two made hands -- set vs. set and set vs. JT come to mine -- in which case your outs should be clean. Someone could have KK, and I guess KsQs is possible too. But I think usually you'll have 8 outs.

I would call. First of all, I'm going to feel stupid if I fold and then BB just calls. Second, even if it gets capped like we're expecting at this point, we're getting the approximate immediate odds that we need, and I think we can expect another 4+ BB on the river if we catch.

Obviously, the outcome of a hand like this is going to have a lot of impact on your short-term results.

i feel stupid every day... but calling here has nothign to do with feeling stupid. We need our opponents to put in 4BB on the river in the worst case scenario (when they jam/cap) and I think we're in good shape to see that happen.

Every time they put in less action we need hardly any implied odds or we're profiting immediately.

+1. More content in your content...

What stick do you have up your ass? You have been trolling me in numerous threads. Dont know what i did to you but get over it

No trolling you. As the other poster stated before me, given your thoughts on the pot odds, what do you think the play on the turn be? You are an avid poster in this forum and your response appeared to be missing some strat.

WRT the other thread in the BQ forum, I was asking you what poker have you been playing lately because for a while, you were focusing on NLHE, but since I have started posting again, it appears that you have been posting a lot in LHE which may mean you are focusing on LHE.
Very strong response from you.

So that I am not called a hypocrite.
Normally I would fold this preflop even in a 4 handed game, but you said it was a LAG fest that you were joining in on, so that's your gamble.
OTF, I would call as our hand is hidden, even though they're probably not paying attention.
I play the same, calling the raises OTF. When it comes to the turn, it'll may very well be another round of raises that are capped as stated before.
I think you might as well call given the conditions of the game and the fact that this is a gigantic pot in which you are still drawing very much live.
If you're just poo-flinging, then the odds don't really matter as much if they're thin.
You may have considered 3! the flop if there was an ok chance they would check to you OTT, but the doesn't seem likely at this table.

In a 4 handed game on the btn, what is the bottom of the range you're raising? I think this is a pretty easy raise 4 handed in position IMO

Well, we have a limper and the table conditions from what you described are quite Loose and agressive. Yes, we are OTB. I am not saying that raising is wrong at all, I am just not raising it under these conditions. I like it better if it's suited because that 3% increase in equity is so sexy.
If it was an average table 4 handed, then I am with you on the raise, especially if the limper has a wide range that will consist of unsuited gappers and such.
TLDR: It depends.

Sorry if i misread what you were saying then. It came off that way to me, but if you aren't then I apologize for getting the wrong idea.

Why does the limper really matter? I know BBB has said, and I agree, your range should be pretty much the same whether a limper is present or not.

If we're raising preflop, the limper is going to give better odds to the SB and BB to call, especially under these table conditions, which is what I am focused on. If I am going to see a 3-4 handed flop with Q9o, even OTB, I'd rather overlimp if I expect SB & BB to possibly go crazy and get in to a raising war. That's really my concern. As we can see, the pot is bloated and we're getting the odds to call OTF both times around which almost ties us to seeing the river, one way or another.
The good thing about raising, as I said before, our hand will be disguised, but that is a bit irrelevant since these villains are just hitting the bet button.