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Old 06-10-2012, 03:59 AM   #1
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Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

AKo in sb, a few unknown limps and i make a standard (?) raise. Flops a gutshot with to overcards and i guess my cbet also is standard? or should i check/call, check/fold or even check/raise?

I get called on flop but noone shows strength and raises so i continue on turn, is this bad sine i only have two overcards - is it to weak to give up here and check/fold?

My straight hits on the river but what should i do here? instead check/call?

GTECH G2 (Boss) - kr1/kr2 - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: k7.22
UTG+1: k122.50
MP: k148.79
CO: k105.99
BTN: k67.13
Hero (SB): k1,983.50
BB: k58.97

Hero posts SB k0.50, BB posts BB k1.00

Pre Flop: (k1.50) Hero has K A

UTG calls k1.00, UTG+1 calls k1.00, MP calls k1.00, CO calls k1.00, BTN calls k1.00, Hero raises to k2.00, fold, UTG calls k1.00, UTG+1 calls k1.00, MP calls k1.00, CO calls k1.00, BTN calls k1.00

Flop: (k13.00, 6 players) Q 4 T
Hero bets k1.00, UTG calls k1.00, UTG+1 calls k1.00, MP calls k1.00, fold, BTN calls k1.00

Turn: (k18.00, 5 players) 3
Hero bets k2.00, fold, UTG+1 calls k2.00, MP calls k2.00, BTN calls k2.00

River: (k26.00, 4 players) J
Hero bets k2.00, fold, MP raises to k4.00, fold, Hero ??
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:03 AM   #2
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Re: Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

dont bet the flop, your equity is poor that multiway

dont bet the turn, your equity just droped even more and the price to bluff vs pot size just got smaller
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:56 AM   #3
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Re: Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

If betting is the safest way to see the turn for 1SB I think its ok.

Turn bet is pretty bad. I would 3-bet-call the river.

On an unrelated note, du you have any feel for the quality of LHE games on SVS compared to PS at similar stakes?

Last edited by Xylocain; 06-10-2012 at 05:02 AM. Reason: Btw this hand post should end on turn. You probably just posted this because you lost to a flush.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:47 AM   #4
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Re: Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

Has play u can 3 bet the river
I wouldnt bet flop tho ,i wouldnt want to pay 2 bet
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:56 AM   #5
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Re: Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

I'm fine with the flop bet if they're passive players. If they don't raise a lot of flops I think the bet may even be +ev, especially if low pocket pairs will fold. On the river I think Qx, K4 make perfect sense so I go mubsy.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:10 PM   #6
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Re: Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

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If betting is the safest way to see the turn for 1SB I think its ok.

Turn bet is pretty bad. I would 3-bet-call the river.

On an unrelated note, du you have any feel for the quality of LHE games on SVS compared to PS at similar stakes?
They´re all pretty loose passive players so i dont know if the flopbet is the safest way to pay 1sb to see the turncard. Maybe check/call is better against these type of opponents but i like to be the agressor, but maybe i should call a bit more.

On the turn when to overs and a gutshot for the nutstraight should i check/call one bet or just check/fold here?

SVS are a lot easier i think cause they´re so loose passive. In my small databse the players on average plays 46/5 the negative is that its not so many games going on..are u from sweden?
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:11 PM   #7
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Has play u can 3 bet the river
I wouldnt bet flop tho ,i wouldnt want to pay 2 bet
Why 3bet call the river when the flush hits? My feeling is that i always get raised on rivers when they have something close to the nuts at least..
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:21 PM   #8
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Re: Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

there's absolutely no way I'm 3 betting the river but I do think you should call with one other player given the huge pot odds you have.
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:39 PM   #9
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Re: Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

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Pf is obv standard.

I think an argument could be made to not cbet this flop into 5 opponents. It's not necessarily bad (at least not too bad), I guess, but I think I'd be inclined to just c/c (for one bet).

Turn bet is definitely bad. You have ace-high and gut-shot; don't try to bluff out FOUR opponents. (edit: you can c/c for one bet, though)

On river, I assume you're asking whether to call or 3bet ('cause hero should never consider folding this hand while closing the action getting a whopping 16:1). I just call and hope to something like QJ or JT or K9, or even AK for a chop. I don't want to get capped by a flush, though, so I'd not re-raise.
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Re: Microstakes FR - AK from sb - Line check

In the hands you've posted, you have been the only one showing any aggression. Nobody else has raised PF or flop. Is this typical in your games? If so, you might start thinking about checking OOP if there is a high change it will check through. You are facing a large field and so it's unlikely that you are ahead, but you have some outs.

Here's why I don't like the turn bet:
6 outs for your over cards, but the A, K and K are almost, if not totally, worthless, so let's assume 3 outs for top pair, but those also bring in the straight, and there might be RIO also. For the gutshot, you really only want the red jacks, although the J might be ok given that the flush was BD. When you add that all up, it's significantly less than 5 outs. We need 10.5:1 for a 4-outer, and the pot has 9BB in it (and even weighting everything at 4 outs might be too generous).

If we check the turn and someone bets, that's the 10th BB in the pot. If 1 other player calls, now we can call with our weak draw once we add in the implied odds if we hit on the river.

As played, I call the river raise for the reasons Trex said.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:36 AM   #11
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there's absolutely no way I'm 3 betting the river but I do think you should call with one other player given the huge pot odds you have.
the pot is HU once it get raised.

i would 3bet because the number of hand u loose are pretty small compare to all the hand he can raise with
its a flush yes, but its a runner runner flush
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