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Old 05-22-2012, 08:43 AM   #16
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Re: Micro Hand K10s

thanks guys, really appreciate the tips.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:17 PM   #17
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Re: Micro Hand K10s

Limp or iso raise is fine pre. Just don't fold in a fishy game.

Bet this flop. You have massive equity against fishy hand ranges.

As played, turn is fine.

As played, donk an ace river and x/r a 9, because fishes tend to check scare cards and the ace is one.
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:17 AM   #18
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Re: Micro Hand K10s

a limping hand that can stand a raise...if you raise and got reraised... it's nightmare
isolating UTG from UTG+1 fullring?
dont know...if the table very passive
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Old 05-23-2012, 02:10 PM   #19
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a limping hand that can stand a raise...if you raise and got reraised... it's nightmare
isolating UTG from UTG+1 fullring?
dont know...if the table very passive
You don't have to iso-raise. The overlimp is fine.

But this hand is actually quite playable postflop. Obviously, if you get 3-bet after an iso-raise or cold-called by 4 players, you have to be careful about overvaluing your hand if you make one pair (especially with your king). But you can make a lot of big hands with KTs and in actuality, fishy players are often going to call with WEAKER kings and tens and hands of the same suit. So I think a good post-flop player WOULD often isolate with this hand, even if there are some calling stations acting after him or her.
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Old 05-23-2012, 03:14 PM   #20
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fishy players are often going to call with WEAKER kings and tens and hands of the same suit. So I think a good post-flop player WOULD often isolate with this hand, even if there are some calling stations acting after him or her.
weaker than k10? maybe on merge it's the case
i'm bad and iinsta fold this kind of hands except hj,co...bb
sometimes they pay you off with k9 sometimes you do to kj...50/50
when they catch kicker they will raise you... you could hardly raise them OOP
i know one thing about problem hands: fullring? i need two pairs at least...half the deck is dealt
i've read Pat Dittmars Practical Poker Math: Basic Odds & Probabilities for Hold'Em and Omaha made some calculation
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JJ+ being dealt about 20% probability
AK 12%
AJ+ 35%
broadway (without 10) 35%
maybe my calculations wrong...Pat was talking about the player i just multiplied by 10
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:49 PM   #21
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If UTG is a bad player and I isolate him, good. If a bunch of people CC, then good, because I have some flush and straight potential. I will evaluate again on the flop depending on whether it is HU or multiway, and what I flop.
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i'm bad and iinsta fold this kind of hands except hj,co...bb
sometimes they pay you off with k9 sometimes you do to kj...50/50
when they catch kicker they will raise you.
Doc nailed this early on. You iso-raise with a high card hand that plays OK multiway. You don't care what happens, because both options are good. Then you play poker correctly depending on what happens.

Being a good player, we pay off less often than we get paid off. You're depending on your poor opposition to make less from position than you would. Do you get in tough spots or thinly value/own yourself at times? Sure. If you avoid every tough spot at 0.05/0.10, is the plan to learn to play in tough spots at 5/10? Against good players, you'll get cold called less often and 3 bet more often -- since three betting hands are more rare, you get HU with the bad player more often. Against bad players you get called more with a relatively weaker range.

Depending on our edge on UTG, this could be a pretty good spot. The ideal spot is where he has a raise button so that KTs is the best hand and likely dominating.
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