Another of this preflop series of questions. Really, i thought I was so proficient in this thing, but suddenly I'm having doubts in myself. It's those very small mistakes that add up quickly, because they happen so often. I just don't know when to iso-raise anymore. I know the answer to one of those, but won't tell you which to make some discussion. You are button always and limper is always CO. Blinds are generally 40/10/1, I am in a 6max game.

1) Hero has 98s
2) Hero has QTo
3) Hero has 44
4) Hero has A2s

44 and A2s are raises 100% of the time, QTo is a raise but I'm going to do that little burp-vomit thing if the flop comes xTx, and 98s is a limp because you're going to make a fortune if you get a favorable flop that also pairs one of the blinds.

i raise three of them and fold the 44 usually. sometimes i'll raise the 44 if i have a different read on the blinds.

BigAgressiveBabar



for me only QT and A2s.

fold 44

98s(maybe25% of the time i raise but....depends on blind a lot) isnt a call for me as well.
Unless i see them going to showdown with bottom pair or Ahigh plenty of time.

for me less player at the table, more profitable big cards(any A) and high unsuited connector pawns.
small pair and low-med sc isnt that much profitable i believe

Entity says he raises 98s, because it plays the same 4 handed as it does HU. AND you have the power of initiative.
He says 44 is close... which is why I asked this question, because it came up twice in today's session.
I have always mucked QTo, but I'm trying to become more LAGish
A2s is a clear iso-raise...

this aint fulll ring right, that means there is less quality hands vs u, that means a pair of Q with medium kicker is great.

Well, it shouldn't make a difference, if it's full ring or not, right?

really??? i believe 4 less players increase a lot of not facing quality hands...dont u?

if the players dont adapt at 6, it should be stealing time from late position, hence raising even more with high unsuited connector,especially in late position when facing only limper...

The point is that 6max plays just the same as full ring if you eliminiate the first 4 guys. The idea that you're facing "less quality hands" is a misconception, because the chance that BB has AA is just the same whether you're in a FR game where everyone folded to the Btn or in a 6max game.

Sure, the overall chance that two really premium hands are around in any given hand is probably smaller in 6max, but that doesn'T matter for when you're actually in the hand and everyone already folded - because you know that THIS time, obv. no one had AA utg.

Edit: fwiw, I'm raising all of them except 44, which I limp. I don't know why I would fold 44 on the btn rather than limp along?

It is folded to the CO! What difference does it make?
Are you honestly telling me that with the same read of the blinds you play a hand differently when it is folded to the CO in 6max than you do FR? Why?
What difference does the 8 cards the extra players threw away make?
Will you not attempt to steal the blinds the same amount of time if you have the opportunity in FR? Why not?

GAS GAS GAS GAS

bella:"What difference does the 8 cards the extra players threw away make?
Will you not attempt to steal the blinds the same amount of time if you have the opportunity in FR? Why not"


yes i will attemp at least too steal as much as in fulll ring.
I just dunno why u asked me this question o0???


fret:"Edit: fwiw, I'm raising all of them except 44, which I limp. I don't know why I would fold 44 on the btn rather than limp along?"

if u play this hand, u need to raise, limp here is terrible i believe, 44 plays ok HU or multiway pot, not when in 3 or 4-way pot. U raise to be able to still the blinds and the pot on flop because hitting a flop is harder(CO will fold) compare when u have a madehand? correct?

Because otherwise your first remark makes even less sense...

ok...a limper in MP in full ring usually has a better hand then a limper in shorthanded game right? Not that its correct, but its what i see more.

in full ring, someone might not raise with QJo in MP when first in but will just limp, but in 6max for example, i see lot of QJo raise preflop...

Bella,

Technically, there is a slight difference between a 6 max game folded to the CO and FR game folded to the CO. The EP players in the FR game folded, which means that they discarded cards that they deemed not fit for playing. Thus, the pool of cards that can make up the hands of the CO, you, and the blinds is slightly stronger than it would be in a 6m game, where fewer people have discarded cards unfit for play. This is a very slight effect, though, esp. as you start dealing with tighter players in EP, who fold a very wide range of hands. From a practical stand point, being aware of this fact will have basically no effect on your play or win rate because it's so small compared to everything else.