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Don't show results.

cc'ing is the worst possible play pf, imo. 3bet or fold (I lean slightly toward fold, but it's debatable; make it JTs and I'm definitely playing).

As played pf, the flop and turn are OK, imo.

What precisely are you trying to catch him with on the river? Yeah, you caught him, but that's kinda result-oriented thinking (again: don't post results). How often is he actually going to have a J7+,T8+, 98, 87 type of hand that he's also elected to 3barrel? Not often enough to call getting only like 7:1, imo.

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01-12-2016 , 03:25 PM

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Trex8063

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Originally Posted by VDownSwingV

you can search the archives where Oink recommends QJs as the bottom of a 3! opening range.

solid advice imo

He recommends QJs as bottom of 3bet range regardless of the position the original raise and regardless of read on villain?

If so, I don't find that to be solid advice.

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01-12-2016 , 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rodeo

i like to have at least 40% equity when i 3bet in position and even that's pushing it. 45%+ would be ideal. but hey, when you're a guy that 3bets 67o on the BTN vs. a CO open, JTo seems like AA.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

7,212,224,448 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
30%	60.67%	4,241,619,720	267,500,280
JTo	39.33%	2,703,104,448	267,500,280

Yeah, personally I like to have about 45% or more. Against what I considered a taggy CO open range (I just used my own default CO open range), JTo had just barely over 40%. I opened that up a bit based on OP's read to a range I think is a bit laggy, and JTo still only had 44.1% equity.

So I'm sticking with my initial leaning (which was to fold pf).

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01-12-2016 , 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by khrage

Well isn't this familiar

Limped 3 way pot

Preflop:
BTN & SB limp...Hero checks in the BB w/ J

Flop:
K

SB checks, BB checks, BTN bets...SB folds, Hero calls

Turn:
6

Hero checks, BTN bets...Hero calls

River:
5

Hero checks, BTN bets...Hero calls

BTN shows 7

Hero shows Pair of Queens (Jack kicker)
Hero wins

Now I just need to win a ten high calldown

/brag

Again: don't show results. River is a bad call, imo, unless you have a solid blufftard read on BTN. And I'd probably lead the flop; that's a pretty big draw 3way.

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01-12-2016 , 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trex8063

He recommends QJs as bottom of 3bet range regardless of the position the original raise and regardless of read on villain?

If so, I don't find that to be solid advice.

so you wandered into a thread where the original poster is on the button, read a reply i made linking to a hand where the original poster was on the button, and you came to that conclusion?

*everyones solid!

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01-13-2016 , 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by VDownSwingV

OK, I admit I didn't read the HH previously (which, in my own defense, was NOT linked in the post I quoted), but I have now. And well, now I'm confused. He was suggesting QJs as the bottom of 3bet range.....but that hand is glaringly different from the one being considered here (most notably in that in Oink's hand he wasn't the first in after the raiser; that alone changes things substantially, before we even consider reads on villains).

Perhaps you're the one implying these hands are comparable because hero is otb and facing a single raise in both????

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