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Old 12-23-2008, 05:30 AM   #1
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Hands I've played badly

In this thread I"m going to post hands I may have played badly. Like confession. I've feel like I'm becoming a little stale in the way I play the last few weeks. Hopefully this thread will serve a few purposes. First, I may notice a lot of hands I play badly fall into the same category. Second, I may play better to avoid the embarrassment of having to post a train wreck of a hands. Third, maybe others will be encouraged to take hard looks at the hands they screw up, not the hands they play well.

Feel free to participate by:

-posting strategy responses to the hands, or posing strategy questions
-posting your own badly played hands
-making fun of me for hands I play particuarly bad
-identify patterns in the mistakes I make and in doing so make me a lot more money
-anything else.



Poker Stars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP1 with 6 6
3 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, BTN calls, 2 folds

Flop: (9.5 SB) T 2 T (4 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, BTN calls

Turn: (6.25 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, BTN folds

River: (8.25 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 10.25 BB
MP3 shows 2 2 (a full house, Deuces full of Tens)
Hero mucks 6 6
MP3 wins 10.1 BB
(Rake: $3.00)


Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, BTN calls, 2 folds

Flop: (7.4 SB) 9 6 6 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, BTN folds

Turn: (4.7 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls

River: (8.7 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 10.7 BB
Hero mucks T T
MP2 shows A K (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
MP2 wins 10.4 BB
(Rake: $3.00)

That's all I can find for now. Those are from today and I didn't nearly finish looking through the pots I won.
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:39 AM   #2
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Re: Hands I've played badly

About hand 2, that is a situation that also happens to me quite often. If the pot was 4 handed at that spot I'd fold without a second thought to the raise but HU I go into call down mode too often unless I have a good read of villain.
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:56 AM   #3
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Hand 1: Do you think you should have just given up on the turn? I ask because I don't see a big problem with how you played the hand. I mean, I don't see a value bet on the river, but you are still beating, like, K9, Q9, Q8 and some super-stubborn floats.

Hand 2: The turn seems like a trade-off to me. Villain may now dump, say, KJ, which is better than letting him take a free card with it if he will recognize a turn check as a defensive check or a trap.

But if he's aggressive, there's a good chance he'll bet anything he would have called with anyway, meaning you can still get value from 9x and 77 and whatnot -- for one street anyway if not two.

Meanwhile, I don't know how full ring is playing these days, but if 5/10 FR features as many (or nearly as many) free-showdown type plays on scare cards as 2/4 6-max and 3/6 6-max does, then I don't see how you can fold the turn. Hell, Villain may have been waiting for the turn to pop his 9x, for some reason, despite Button's presence in the hand, and he may have stuck to that plan even after the ace fell. Or maybe he's got a couple of diamonds or 87 or something (although we can't cheer for 87 anymore on the river).

I mean, I don't like your chances on the river much, but you are getting nearly 10:1 and you're holding an overpair to the flop.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:08 AM   #4
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Hand 1. pf raise looks good until you get 3 callers. Flop c-bet seems thin, but pot is big now and worth fighting for is c/r better? Turn J not a great card, you still may be ahead, FD's 55, 44, 33, you want A7, A8, A9 (and any other 6 outers) to fold, hand is probably borderline b/f. River FD got there, A hi got there, c/c heads up in 9BB pot seems ok, but not likely to win. So how is this played badly? Unless there were some reads that we should have known about....

Hand 2. pf looks good, flop c-bet/value bet standard. Turn I b/f here, unless Villain is very aggressive post flop (bluff raise the FD).
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:38 AM   #5
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goofball, I'm assuming you want to check/fold the river in hand 1 and bet/fold the turn in hand 2?
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Old 12-23-2008, 12:30 PM   #6
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no comments on your play, but your opponents are deliciously bad!
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:27 PM   #7
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hand 1 looks fine but the river card is so bad that i c/f it
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:28 PM   #8
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hand 2 i would need reads to decide but against an unknown i think cd is ok
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:20 PM   #9
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Re: Hands I've played badly

One more before I head down to portland for christmas


Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is MP1 with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, UTG+1 caps!, Hero calls

Flop: (9.4 SB) 9 4 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.7 BB) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.7 BB) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:28 PM   #10
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One more before I head down to portland for christmas


Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is MP1 with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, UTG+1 caps!, Hero calls

Flop: (9.4 SB) 9 4 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.7 BB) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.7 BB) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls
The river call shows distrust for the preflop cap, and to some extent I guess the flop call does as well. But in these days where you see recommendations to cap light preflop when HU for folding equity, it's difficult not to be a little distrustful. Then again, your opponent may not be a WITHG reader . . .
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:28 PM   #11
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One more before I head down to portland for christmas


Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is MP1 with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, UTG+1 caps!, Hero calls

Flop: (9.4 SB) 9 4 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.7 BB) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.7 BB) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls
This hand is kinda interesting... PF is standard in some of those games.. what do you think his cap range is? Flop call is straight forward, as is the turn now that we picked up the FD. By the time I get to the river, I'm thinking.. hmmm 8.5:1 closing the action. Not sure how much differently you could play it besides folding the river.
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:30 PM   #12
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This hand is kinda interesting... PF is standard in some of those games.. what do you think his cap range is? Flop call is straight forward, as is the turn now that we picked up the FD. By the time I get to the river, I'm thinking.. hmmm 8.5:1 closing the action. Not sure how much differently you could play it besides folding the river.
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Kinda hard to say if or how bad this one is without more info.
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:12 PM   #13
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One more before I head down to portland for christmas


Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is MP1 with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, UTG+1 caps!, Hero calls

Flop: (9.4 SB) 9 4 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.7 BB) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.7 BB) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls
I find myself doing the same thing... a lot.

I don't think it is good though. I see PP/AK/AQ as the majority of hands here. You beat AJ/KQ and lower which most people don't cap. Without a read I actually probably would have folded the river here.

I really just wanted a reason to say...
GO BLAZERS!!!
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:31 PM   #14
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One more before I head down to portland for christmas


Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is MP1 with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, UTG+1 caps!, Hero calls

Flop: (9.4 SB) 9 4 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.7 BB) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.7 BB) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls
I'd fold the river. The guy capped preflop from early position then barrels every street, showing no fear of a turn that completes several draws. That must surely weight his range heavily towards made hands.
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Old 12-24-2008, 03:38 AM   #15
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I agree. The flop and turn are easy. I need to be good better than 10.3% and I don't think I am. He has to have capped light preflop AND not have made something AND barrelled the whole way.

On the other hand the third heart on the turn does encourage him to fire the last barrell. If it had been a blank he could have concluded I was just heading to showdown. But when the last heart hits the chance I have A high with big heart and fold it on the river goes up.
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