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Lurker Account 2 · 06-20-2012, 02:59 PM

Yep definitely like Bryce Paradis's stuff, have watched all of the video content more than once, and have spent a fair bit of focused time with leakbuster.

In the last 6 weeks or so I actually changed and started focusing on the step 7 filters rather than the step 2 stats (because of my previous experience).
I have and am looking to implement any recommendations, and regularly (every week/10 days or so) check how my play is progressing. I think I am seeing progress there - It is early days, but I already see my winrate improving in various spots. Time/hands will tell.
Maybe I was trying to implement previous changes incorrectly - (edit) or I hit a downswing/something else was going on - not sure. My only issue has been with the aggression stats.

Cheers

lapka · 06-20-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bellatrix

Obviously good players will give you nightmares to your left, it's the nature of the game. There's no easy fix, try to concentrate on the fish on your right for the most part.

This sentence is weird. You mean that the few times (since they play tighter than you) they actually enter the pot, they enter for a raise? Or do you mean that you feel like you're constantly getting re-raised preflop?
If it's the first, well duh, if they have a tighter range, they are doing it for value. But the times you have the fish to yourself will amply make up for it.
If it's the latter, then they don't have a tighter range than you.

I play higher than you, but I just tweeted this out yesterday:
"seriously, the levels of aggression are so high at stars, I feel like I win by just nitting it up and being a calling station"

The first is the case. Sorry that I was not clear. I understand that they raise for value. I understand that if I would just call them every time to the show down (calling station syle), that I would loose more than win.
But it seems that the idea that I should do this play more often was a good one.

Just had another session with following hand:

6 handed, I am BB, V1 is left from me, V2 on the button.
V1 is one of the tight guys, who normally outplays me
know nothing about V2

pre-flop: V1 raises; gets called from V2; SB folds; I reraise with 8

8

;
V1 caps the pot; V2 and me call
flop: 2

7

K

I check; V1 bets; V2 folds I call
turn: 9

I check; V1 bets; I call
river: 9

I check; V1 bets; I call

bozlax · 06-20-2012, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lapka

6 handed, I am BB, V1 is left from me, V2 on the button.
V1 is one of the tight guys, who normally outplays me
know nothing about V2

pre-flop: V1 raises; gets called from V2; SB folds; I reraise with 8

8

;
V1 caps the pot; V2 and me call
flop: 2

7

K

I check; V1 bets; V2 folds I call
turn: 9

I check; V1 bets; I call
river: 9

I check; V1 bets; I call

This is, quite frankly, terrible. If V1 is tight and capped pre from UTG there is nothing you can be ahead of when the flop comes K-hi. I get it, you won the hand, but that doesn't make the play correct. My guess is that you're making too much of results (the fact that you have been folding a lot to their aggression means that you've been "losing" to them) and that your read is either incorrect (he's not that tight...more likely) or incomplete (he's tight-ish preflop, and stubborn post...less likely).

Edit: and V1 certainly isn't "playing" you in any sense...you hadn't acted when he opened preflop.

lapka · 06-20-2012, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bozlax

This is, quite frankly, terrible. If V1 is tight and capped pre from UTG there is nothing you can be ahead of when the flop comes K-hi. I get it, you won the hand, but that doesn't make the play correct. My guess is that you're making too much of results (the fact that you have been folding a lot to their aggression means that you've been "losing" to them) and that your read is either incorrect (he's not that tight...more likely) or incomplete (he's tight-ish preflop, and stubborn post...less likely).

Edit: and V1 certainly isn't "playing" you in any sense...you hadn't acted when he opened preflop.

v1 is tighter than me preflop. But I think that he bets to often c-bet (he bets the flop 100%, in HU situation), so basically the last thing you wrote.

I agree that 2 good sessions with slightly changed play are not an indication, that I am doing it right.

lapka · 06-20-2012, 06:10 PM

another hand same set-up I am on the button same V1 left from me:
pre: I have K

Q

raise from the right to me; I reraise; V1 caps
flop: 5

K

8

V1 bets, I raise, guy to the right folds, V1 calls
turn 6

I bet, V1 calls
river 8

I bet, V1 calls

V1 had 10 10

In the first hand he had A

2

bozlax · 06-20-2012, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lapka

v1 is tighter than me preflop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lapka

In the first hand he had A

2

I really hope he's not tighter than you preflop. That said, he played the 2nd hand in a manner that makes me think that he thinks you're none too tight, either.

I think what you're having trouble with is playing against LAGs, quite frankly, and that you might be something of a LAG yourself.

bozlax · 06-20-2012, 07:34 PM

I just looked back and realized that my tone might not be as helpful as possible. Here's the thing: you seem to be making a lot of errors, here, not the least of which is trying to extrapolate a "rule" for playing in a certain situation. The fact that the situation doesn't seem to actually be what you think it is exacerbates the problem.

Rather than trying to say, "I have this common situation, how should I always play it?" post A COUPLE OF individual hands, laying out the players and the situation as you see it, and give us your thoughts on why you played the way you did and what you think the problems with that are.

Take a look at the FAQ first, tho.

antneye · 06-20-2012, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bozlax

I just looked back and realized that my tone might not be as helpful as possible. Here's the thing: you seem to be making a lot of errors, here, not the least of which is trying to extrapolate a "rule" for playing in a certain situation. The fact that the situation doesn't seem to actually be what you think it is exacerbates the problem.

Rather than trying to say, "I have this common situation, how should I always play it?" post A COUPLE OF individual hands, laying out the players and the situation as you see it, and give us your thoughts on why you played the way you did and what you think the problems with that are.

Take a look at the FAQ first, tho.

LOL. I posted much harsher love and then deleted it. Micros Library is a must for OP to start to learn some basics.

bozlax · 06-20-2012, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antneye

LOL. I posted much harsher love and then deleted it.

Isn't Wookie's nice-a-thon still active?

lapka · 06-20-2012, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bozlax

I just looked back and realized that my tone might not be as helpful as possible. Here's the thing: you seem to be making a lot of errors, here, not the least of which is trying to extrapolate a "rule" for playing in a certain situation. The fact that the situation doesn't seem to actually be what you think it is exacerbates the problem.

Rather than trying to say, "I have this common situation, how should I always play it?" post A COUPLE OF individual hands, laying out the players and the situation as you see it, and give us your thoughts on why you played the way you did and what you think the problems with that are.

Take a look at the FAQ first, tho.

I am grown -up -> I dont take anything here personally. However I appreciate the time you took to respond. I broke some of the guidelines for posting to demonstrate why, I do think that the guy is to aggressive post-flop.

Considering his capping A2 pre-flop and being tight, what I meant was that he enters the pot with fewer hands than me, but he enters it differently. I would have raised pre and then called the reraise with A2, but would not cap it.

Anyway....

lapka · 06-20-2012, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antneye

LOL. I posted much harsher love and then deleted it. Micros Library is a must for OP to start to learn some basics.

what exactly do you mean with basics?
I have read a good part of the micro library.

A_Schupick · 06-20-2012, 09:13 PM

c-betting 100% on the flop in HU pots can't really ever be a mistake.

antneye · 06-20-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by A_Schupick

c-betting 100% on the flop in HU pots can't really ever be a mistake.

this is one of the basics i am referring to.

bozlax · 06-21-2012, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lapka

I broke some of the guidelines for posting to demonstrate why, I do think that the guy is to aggressive post-flop.

The thing is that he's likely being aggressive because you fold to his aggression too much. That's why he's buddy-listed you, and always sits on your left, but your read doesn't really seem to take that into account. The hands you've posted probably aren't great examples, because in both cases you both have showdown hands, and in both cases one or the other of you mis-played your hand at some point.

What ant and I are both suggesting is go back to your very basics. Why do you play the hands you play? How do you evaluate flops? What do you consider when constructing a hand-range for your opponent?