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Old 08-05-2012, 12:55 PM   #16
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Re: easy fold?

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In general when a villain donks the flop HU, especially if I don't have notes on what they have when they donk, I like to just call. I want my peeling/drawing range to be merged with my value range for balance. I can control how much money goes into the pot on the turn, guaranteeing at least one bet with my value hands and at most one bet with my draws.
Going a little off-track here but MisterBunny did a Cardrunners vid all about responding to flop donks. He advocates raising frequently. The key factors he considers are the person's flop donk and flop/turn check-raising stats. The point is that donkers who have high flop or turn c-r ranges are weak when they donk.
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:59 PM   #17
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Re: easy fold?

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It is against the relative unknowns that we want to take the least exploitable lines. Everything changes when we have a sense of what a villain's donkbets mean. Do they donk with any piece of the flop? Do they donk with middle pair but k/r top pair or better? Are their donks polarized between strong hands and draws? If we know, we will play the hand differently.
My point was that against a random unknown who is donking a flop, I don't really care if my value/peeling ranges are balanced on a flop like this. Even against a player who I know is good, I'll have plenty of value hands that are calling this flop that I don't need to call with a monster like this.

So you're making this play for information? I don't think it's particularly difficult to guess what hands villain donked with if he folds at some point during the hand. If he folds the turn, likely it was a pure bluff or something like middle pair. If he folds the river, looks like a diamond draw. Either way I doubt the information you gain is worth the equity you're giving up by playing it passively, but I could be wrong on that.

You mentioned you'd call the flop and raise this safe turn.... are there any turn cards you're not raising here? I'm guessing a jack, anything else?
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Old 08-05-2012, 01:12 PM   #18
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Re: easy fold?

Basically, we shouldn't take an exploitative line until and unless we know which mistake we are trying to exploit.
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Old 08-05-2012, 01:45 PM   #19
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Basically, we shouldn't take an exploitative line until and unless we know which mistake we are trying to exploit.
This might be right at high stakes, but in the micros, I'm not sure it is. You aren't going to have information about a lot of your opponents, and there are pretty standard, unbalanced, exploitative lines (such as always putting in at least one re-raise or delayed raise with TPTK or an overpair) that are almost surely +EV against unknowns in the micros.
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