while ya'll are busy printing out and taping up the valuebetting credo, break out the highlighter and mark up the latter half of that statement, what worse hand calls here. One of the big things that folks stress in teaching PLO is the importance of not getting stuck with the second nuts, as you're going to pay a fortune. A similar thing exists in holdem: fixed, pot, and no limit. These tags will be paying you off with the second and third best hands. As the board develops, keep in mind what your opponent's handrange is and how they play postflop. Those extra bets come when you're making your opponent pay to draw to that gutshot when you have Ahigh and they disappear when you barrel and they've made a pair. Again and again, ask yourself: "what calls here" and keep your hand ranges realistic. Don't MUBS up. For an example of this, watch one of Danzasmack's early DC videos. He'll rattle off hands in his opponent's range that connect with the board and he'll say something when those two cards make a hand. Learn how to do that and you'll be able to extract value from your opponents better than they could ever do the same to you.

also, to keep yourself sane when one of your nitty opponents improperly WA/WBs the nuts, think about all the bets they wasted by not raising you. It's their fault for limping AA and just calling along when you raised your KK in the big blind and valuebet 3 streets. (this actually happened to me yesterday at 1/2. Guy was 9/4/0.5 over the small sample size I had on him. I told him GL on your winrate, bud).

I forgot about that! Okay, you guys don't have as much influence on Stars as I believed!

I first came across this concept in Chapter 21 of the TOP and have been struggling with the bet vs. check HU in positon for 5 years. I could have used it today when the only hand that could call me was a better hand and I bet. . Of course he had a runner runner flush.

i blame durrrr, and also High Stakes Poker shows.

nah, but if I try a certain style at some level/table where I'm a solid winner with abc tag style and it gives me only slightly higher winrate with the expence of higher variance I'm probably such a wuss and that I take the less variance choice.. Then again that style might suite another table (I'm not even saying some higher or lower level) much better.

English is not my native language so you'll have to draw a picture for me to get what this means

Anyway.. when I see a light opener I 3bet light. When I see a light 3bettor I cap light or call down light. Does that make me lagtag too?

It makes you potentially exploitable to someone more comfortable playing the LAGTAG style.

(Doug: correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is where you're going with this.)

The exercises to this point have shown that our expanded range isn't at that much of an equity disadvantage against a standard TAG opening range. We have position and a decent number of TAG players are too foldy postflop and/or don't adjust properly to our range and (hand-reading FTW) selective aggression. Profits.

At the same time, we're opening a wider range and given enough hands, the TAG will notice and start 3! us light (like you said). There is the potential for TAGs uncomfortable with this to misplay/overplay their hands precisely because they're not comfortable with it. They may overvalue their hands or think our range is wider than it actually is. They may bluff barrel or bluff raise more. Sometimes (maybe even most times) we'll have a good hand and we'll get more bets from the TAG than we would otherwise. Profits.

Doug can probably phrase this better or go into greater detail. I'm new at it.

Generally speaking, when you force someone to change an established pattern, they tend to iterate on a learning curve until they've found something that works again.

However, poker is inherently hard to learn in the natural/experience derived sense of the term because of the large possibility of being punished for behaving correctly and rewarded for behaving incorrectly.

By taking them out of their comfort zone, their adjustments are likely to be based largely on immediate results even if they have trained themselves to play a game which ignores results & are aware of these pitfalls.

Once they have started to change their game up, they'll be more susceptible to making mistakes & you're potential gains will increase.

I don't believe you. Your English is better than Leo Doc's.

Yes, you are properly adjusting... perhaps. If you start 3 betting a LAGTAG very lightly, you may actually be raising wider than his range. The median hand in has range isn't that much worse than an normal TAG. If you go overboard with this adjustment, you're playing post flop with a worse hand most of the time. The question is, how well do you play post flop? If your whole career has been spent avoiding tough spots and always having the best hand, how do you know good post-flop play?

You're being a LAGTAG only against players who play well post flop (assuming you picked one of "us"). I try to play LAGTAG against players who I think play poorly post flop. This may sound like a bragging contest, but it isn't. When I first moved to 6m from FR, I picked on the LAGTAG and sLAG players because their stats looked like they were a maniac to me. Then, BBB showed me tableratings. I was isolating the biggest winners at the limits I was playing. I lost a lot of money getting HU with the best players. Be careful here. Many 2+2 players judge their opponents using pre-flop stats; if the opponent doesn't play exactly the 2+2 player's stats, the opponent is an idiot. Don't fall into this trap. Iso-raising big winners (people who can play postflop) is bad. Even worse, don't play HU with people who are experience HUHU players; they'll love your action.

As Aaron said, we're not maximizing our WR at 1/2. We're working on skills to maximize our lifetime earn as a poker player. Do you have to try this? No.

If you have time to berate an opponent at the table, you should add more tables to increase your earn

Nah I don't try to avoid tough spots. And going overboard with your capping and 3betting range against a lag is basically called tilt. I try to avoid it. I don't know that many lagtag players, but the ones I know and 3bet something like Q8s in BTN/CO/HJ after my MP raise aren't good enough to fold when the Q high flop goes b/3bet.


I find that most nits play bad post flop. But the way they bad is they fall in love with their preflop and and wont fold it. This makes 3betting them light a bad play since they (unknowingly) make correct calldowns. I mean there arent' that many players who can actually fold AK on a board that they missed


Why shouldn't you isolate 38/28? Sure you'll get into pissing contents with marginal hands and increase variance but isn't that what your saying people are supposed to do.

I've played some HUHU. I dont think I love the players who play many hands aggressively. I love the players that are weaktightpassive. I think these players can be found more in 6max and HUHU than in FR.

wat? I found exactly the opposite...
I'm not saying that nits aren't profitable as in 6max and HUHU some ppl just go overboard and crazy maniacal and give you headaches but make your BB/100 fluff up, at FR, they are mostly straightforward ABC

Again, ABC is NOT wrong. If you are massive multitabling you ABC. I would rather 8 table 18/13 than profitably 22/17 4 tables.
Then again, I'm one of those weird ppl that still one -tables










... HUHU...



but I don't play for a living!!!!

The floormen.

The bonuses are easy to clear for the multi-table maniacs.

Probably at higher 6max levels there arent as much of these. But players migrating from FR to 6max pretty much start at 1/2 and 2/4 and play too tight for 6max. Also some people who are 6max/FR players who try out HUHU might play too tight.

And yeah, maniacs are nice in every form of poker. But they can be the most annoying ones too. Also they are usually protect your winnings droolers so in HUHU they leave the second they start losing :P

I think it's all about image. Being able to value-bet thin comes in real handy when you've been caught 3-barreling.