it shows the worst hands with 35% & 50% equity vs common opening ranges i see in full ring (and i have a different one for 6 max with wider ranges). obviously hot & cold equity is not my only decision for calling/raising/etc but it can help in tight spots


i'm confused as to your point here. if you are 3 betting him light isn't he right not to release top pair in a lot of situations? and aren't there spots where you fold to his c/r when you have the better hand? and doesn't his image allow him to get more value from you when he does have a hand?

i dont think taking one player and saying he has leaks should be an argument against a strategy. if that were the case, there would be no viable strategy at 2/4 FR because everyone has numerous leaks (myself included)

and i also dont think anybody is saying is saying that playing LAGTAG is unexploitable. but i do think people are saying its a good way to adjust to the current games/opponents/regs/etc...

Sry, i've been doing little more than following along because I'm a fish. Very new to LHE. Less than 2k hands played lifetime. Some of this is still a bit out there for me.

So here's my fishy questions.

Are you assuming that most TAGs are bad players post flop or are you assuming that most TAGs will be easier to handle post flop because their range is well defined? Does the potential for this combination make them better targets than loose players who play as poorly post flop?

in some cases both, in other cases just the second one. this is why paying attention & taking notes is so important

loose players are always the best targets. i wont sit in a game with 9 weak tags, but i commonly sit in a game where i have immediate position on a 36/2/.4 even if there are a bunch of solid players at the table


the primary goal is taking money from the fish, but its nice to get a bit extra from the other players at the table too

Yeah, that makes good sense to me.

I'm confused by your post, Trippa. You have one dude who doesn't win more than a tight nit, and that's an example of why not to play a style? That's a bit odd. I never said this is JKD, the un-exploitable ultimate style. I'm saying, "you should think about changing your game and taking advantage of your post flop skills". If you don't have those skills, trying this may help you develop them.

Also, the play that you are mocking here is the correct adjustment to you 3 betting light. You provide a good lead-in to my potential final point. What happens when TAGs adjust? This, imo, is the most profitable reason to change styles.

Sounds like we might be getting towards answering one of my earlier questions...

The voices in your head?

If you're planning on moviing up, do you plan on playing some new lines that you might need at the higher limits BEFORE you get there, or are you just going to jump in cold at x/2x knowing you need to start playing LAGTAG?

From the link that Bella gave earlier when I thought about this transition:

First and foremost, this is about becoming a better player. A "better" player is not one who can crush the game at a certain level. A "better" player is one who can *actually* adjust to basically any game. Adjusting means being able to exploit all the players, not just the weak ones. If you're playing like a TAG, then you're probably not exploiting the other TAGs.

You can play straight TAG and crush the micro limit games (I was playing 25/18 6-max and winning quite a bit more than 2 BB/100 over 30k hands when I contemplated this shift). If you don't ever plan on moving up, then you don't ever need to get "better." You can stay at your current level for the rest of your life. But if you want to get "better" you're going to need to learn how to take money away from those who aren't just giving it away.

Secondly, it is "more profitable" in the long run even if it's not "more profitable" at your particular level if you open up your game. You make more money winning 1 BB/100 at 5/T than you can winning 3 BB/100 at 1/2.

Making a profit is not the same as being the most profitable.

By the logic here, you can be a 0.01 BB/100 winner and have no reason to change what you're doing.

Well Aaron, there's a reason why they ask one of us to write articles for the magazine. Thanks for summing that up so well.

You might go check out an independently started LAGTAG thread in SS; they're talking about live. I think that it is much harder to discuss these concepts in the context of a live game; having PT and PokerStove are nice tools. If I'm any example, most live players will do anything they can to avoid learning to stove.

It seems when we first start poker, everyone and their moms told us "tight is right"...don't hold onto top pairs too far, don't call down, make good laydowns at the right time and you got yourself a fortune.

As we move up the stakes, we're going back to those initial instincts when we first started. I think as we progress, we don't actually learn much new strategies, but accumulate better justifications for what we've instinctively already know. dunno, just a thought.

This is probably some of the best advice that I have ever read.

Thanks

I think you guys have a much greater impact on Stars than you might know. The $.50 Limit Holdem tables are much looser today. Small Sample Size FTW!

reload bonus imo

dunno, seems like if you want to complete bonuses, you'd tighten up and take on more tables.