At .25/.50FR

AKQ rainbow? Almost never c/r. This hits my villain waaaaaay too much.

A72 rainbow? 1% maybe, if called I'm b/f the turn UI.

KK3 rainbow? Without the most specific read, I'm not c/r here either.

KK3 two tone? If I hold a corresponding suit to the two tone, will c/r about 10% of the time. On the turn I'd probably c/f UI.

654 mono (same suit)? Again, I have the suit I'd c/r 95% of the time, without it, maybe 50%

223 rainbow? Not really sure here, this misses villains range, but we're still behind possible over cards. I'm probably c/f here.

A98 rainbow? This is a bing blang blaow moment and I'm c/r this every time.

999 rainbow? There was a time I would have considered c/c in this spot to induce bluffs on turn/river but now I know better. I'm c/r this 100% of the time.

heh
I'm usually passive and all, so c/r the last 2 (not 100% obv).
But one hand I'm c/r around 75% of the time is hand 2 (A72r)! I'm shocked that people are not attacking that one more often.
I sometimes c/r the first one depending on the villain.

Basically I'm not c/f anything. But I do come from a school of thought that peels much more on the flop (this is my playing style, doesn't mean it's the most optimal). Since people bluff waaaay too much on paired boards HUHU, I am way more passive there. Had I a read that this was a nit, you can see me attacking most boards with about 25% frequency and Hand 2 with 100% frequency.

Me too...a significant portion of his range DOES NOT have an A in it, and if he doesn't think we are a spewtard, what can he call with?

Against the player you described I am, for the reason given.

The question is what you're trying to accomplish by c/r'ing an ace-high flop against a guy who isn't likely to bet an ace-high flop without an ace.

the player i described is a standard tag. they cbet 100% hu. i don't see what donking accomplishes at all.

I missed the "assume he will always cbet" part. That being the case, I agree, and in the hands where I flop two-pair or better I'd c/c the flop to c/r the turn. I'd c/r the 654 monotone.

Very cool thread idea. Really important stuff here.

AKQ rainbow?

Probably never. You can get him to fold pocket pairs and stuff like 98s, but it's really not worth it imo since the pot is still pretty small and those hands make up a much smaller portion of his range than the Ax/Kx/Qx hands. Advantage of bluffing this board against a much more aggressive stealer is that they have to give up with a ton of hands then and there, though.

A72 rainbow?

Hmm. I'm going to say probably around 35-45% with somebody who is only going to SD 35% of the time (I play 6max). Seem pretty foldy, and again they're going to have to give up right away with a lot of hands here. If I think they're going to pick up on the fact that I'm c/r bluffing often on dry boards like this, then I'll cut down a little bit and start value raising more.

KK3 rainbow?

Probably around 5-10% here. People know that paired boards are great to bluff on. TBH I'm not going to c/r this board period very often since people will fire two barrels so much on boards like this. I'll c/c, c/r with most of my value range, and c/c, c/f with a lot of my non-value range. If I have a read that he'll check back a lot of turns, then I'd c/r more often since I'd also c/r my value hands on the flop...

KK3 two tone?

Less often than above. Probably 0%. People will call down way more often now with even Q hi if they can put you on a flush draw. Plus hands will peel more often if they have a backdoor.

654 mono (same suit)?

Pretty often. Against a default guy who folds a lot it's probably close to 100%. If he were trickier, though, somewhat less since I don't like getting bluffed off of my hand by Qx with a flush draw.

223 rainbow?

Not very often. Maybe 5%. Too many hands will peel this flop meaning your bluff is going to get pretty expensive. That said, this might be one type of spot that I need to open up my c/r range on, since a lot of those hands are going to have to fold the turn UI. This is something I need to mess around with in PokerRazor

A98 rainbow?

Always. You get to b/3b the turn so often against Ax you're just missing a ton of value by not doing it.

999 rainbow?

Hmm. Depends on how often he bets the turn, I suppose. If he's the type of guy to fire 2 barrels with Ax as a default, then probably never. If he's the type of guy to value check with Ax as a default, then probably always.

wat?
somebody that doesn't cbet this dry flop can be exploited to death (nice way of describing an idiot).

Yeah, in skimming Babs's OP I mistook his TAG for more of a wTAG.

1. never, too much of his range hits
2. 25% - depending on how I'm running and how he is running, we still get loose peels and calldowns
3. 15% - too obvious a bluff, he rarely folds a pair or ace, but sometimes 3 barrelling works better than if we did this on the turn
4. 33% we can rep a FD and we'll win some pots when it hits
5. 100% - gutter and overs and he'll fold a ton without that suit
6. This is better to float and bluff the turn (donk <T, c/r broadway imo)
7. 100% helps us rep 2-4 better
8. 100% and we can b/3bet turn or river when he spikes a pair

question to you guys:
why are you attacking the wet boards (456m), where people don't fold and c/f the dry flops (A72r), where it either hits the guy or doesn't?

As someone once said to me, you're going to bluff a semi-bluff a draw you don't have so you can possibly make a real bluff if the draw you bluff-semi-bluffed at hits?

Not as crazy as it sounds I don't necessarily like it in this spot though.

we still fold the JT, T7s of the world, but now maybe we fold we fold an ace... i think it represents a lot more FE than the KK3 rainbow

because a low wet board should miss his perceived range(lots of broadway) while crushing our defending but not 3! range (like 98o)