Villain is same donker chap from dinswong K4s hand posted earlier. Not that that helps much; still very limited info.


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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with A K
3 folds, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, BTN calls

Flop: (9 SB) Q 5 2 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, BTN folds

Turn: (5.5 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls


I thought the 2nd round was pretty standard. Anybody just c/c?


River: (7.5 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero???

I c/c here......I think we get him to bluff something like A3 or A4 or even AT often enough.

Turn -- AK maybe be best once in a while and sometimes 7's or 8's might fold, and all the draw outs it looks like a good turn bet.

River -- c/c seems best as this is the not of a no pair range and unknown villain should have enough bluffs to profit at 8:1. More reads on villain as passive then c/f would seem to be best but you have to be sure of the read.

Well, do you have any information from that donk hand?

If he donked a draw, then I'd be more apt to think he might get bluffy here on the river. Otherwise I think it's a close and might xf

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On the Turn, I'm betting the FD/SD w/overs. I think our hand improves enough to bet vs whatever pair it seems he may be holding. The 8h on the Rvr sucks because we had outs until tomorrow and we still got nowhere. In this case, I probably x/f just because I can see him taking a line like this w/A5 or A2. I get the feeling we're probably not good here. If villain bets, is folding bad getting 8.5:1 to make the crying call?

Agree with this.

Clarification: I'm talking about the river. Turn is fine.

Flop is very dry; what sort of range is BB continuing with?

Yeah, we have 18 outs to improve once the J hits on the turn. That's something on the order of 1/3 equity. We don't profit from betting unless we have some fold equity ... but really, what is folding the turn that calls the flop that we don't already crush?

Even if we whiff the river, our hand is very showdownable. I think that while bet/calling the turn isn't terrible, check/calling may be better at saving bets when we're behind and getting a bit of value from BBs semibluffs that are actually drawing thin.

As played, definitely k/c the river.

I will have to run a stove if I have time when I get home from work. I think he has enough draws in his range on the turn that we can consider the bet as being for value. And I don't think we should discount the possibility of folding out a small PP with two broadways on the board.

I think the turn bet is definitely for value. x/c the river is pretty standard vs an unknown and take a note

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Board: 2d5hQcJd
Equity Win Tie
SB 68.71% 68.71% 0.00% { AdKd }
BB 31.29% 31.29% 0.00% { 33-22, A5s-A2s, KTs-K2s, Q2s+, J3s+, T4s+, 95s+, 84s+, 74s+, 63s+, 53s+, 43s, A7o-A2o, KTo-K4o, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o }

So he's calling the flop with his entire preflop hand range?

Probably not shouldn't continue to try to do this quickly at work. Does this look better? Still turn bet for value.


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Board: 2d5hQcJd
Equity Win Tie
SB 61.10% 61.10% 0.00% { AdKd }
BB 38.90% 38.90% 0.00% { JJ-66, 44, AJs-A5s, KJs-K7s, QTs+, JTs, AJo-A8o, KJo-K9o, QTo+, JTo }

If the villain is cold calling 2 bets from the BB and you're including hands like
T4s+ and 36s+ in his range, then this is a C/C on the river. I know that as he peels the flop & turn we need to narrow his range, but that still includes non-showdown type of hands which he is not willing to turn in to a bluff. A bet on the river is pointelss, IMHO, because is he does raise, then we have to assume "LOL slowplay" and fold or villain folds and we get no value nor notes on what in the hell he's doing.

Whoops, I didn't realize until this comment that I cut the action off at the wrong spot. It went like this:

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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with A K
3 folds, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, BTN calls

Flop: (9 SB) Q 5 2 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, BTN folds

Turn: (5.5 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls

River: (7.5 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero????


Wasn't really considering a river bet. Was wondering whether this was a c/c or c/f.

Check. The. Turn.