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Old 07-12-2012, 03:10 PM   #1
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88 in BB, Protected Pot

BTN is terrible player; 66/13/0.9 after 138 hands; will call down with any piece of the flop.

SB, on the other hand, seems to be a good player, making none of the obvious mistakes. 25/19/3.7 after 59 hands. The only other note I have on them is "knows how to bet/fold turn."

Merge - $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $8.20
SB: $2.57
Hero (BB): $2.79
UTG: $2.02
MP: $1.66
CO: $4.66

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.45, 3 players) K Q 7
SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.05

Turn: ($0.60, 3 players) 4
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

(Is this turn check good? I was thinking that the board clobbered SB's range in particular. I didn't feel good about either bet/calling or bet/folding.)

River: ($0.60, 3 players) K
SB bets $0.10, Hero ... ?

(That's actually a pretty good turn card for me, given the action on earlier streets. At the same time, the pot is protected by the doofus on the button, who has something. I think SB is value-betting, not bluffing, here.)
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:36 PM   #2
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

I think I fire on the turn to protect my hand. I think I would fold to a raise from either the button or the sb. If button folded and then sb raised maybe I could call but I think a fold is best. I think this makes the river much easier to play.

As played, I think you might have induced a bluff enough from sb and but may have 7 or A high that could call. I doubt you have to put another bet in, it's thin but I think I call.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:40 PM   #3
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

I think I would have B/F the flop.

As played I think its a fold.

Edit: Only because I don't think villain is bluffing 3 way. If he bets his whole flop and turn range then it tips to a call
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:41 PM   #4
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

I like how you played it. I call the river, don't expect to be good a lot, but enough to warrant 7-1 odds call.
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I think I would have B/F the flop.
He did bet the flop and was only called?
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:49 PM   #6
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He did bet the flop and was only called?
I meant B/F turn....my bad.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:45 PM   #7
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

After some stoving, I like the turn check. Even if you give BTN a load of Ax and 7x hands and worse pocket pairs, we're still in third place on the turn. Don't think there's much value in the bet as SB will probably fold most of his worse hands.
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:02 PM   #8
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

Nh f you called otr ... I think the turn check is great as these guys are peeling with a K or Q otf a good majority of the time in this 3b Pf pot. I would've cf the turn prob ... That's a live player talking though

By the way, personal question, why are you playing 5c lhe? - is your bankroll tied up in an Oaks security deposit box? you don't have to answer I was just curious that's all ... seems like a player of your caliber could be crushing the 2-4 to 5-T+ OL?
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:27 PM   #9
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

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If the SB stats are correct, I would imagine that they hold some decent cards. The PFR was either to isolate the BTN or just plain value. If it were me, I wouldn't be raising from the SB to ISO the BTN, but I would be raising for value, just because I know I'm probably ahead of both BTN & BB. I figure both will come along with marginal holdings most of the time. The 3! from you will admittedly polarize your range a bit. It's too bad the BTN open limp/called 2 and didn't fold so we could go HU vs SB.

Standard CBet on the Flop. Considering the over call from SB, I would imagine that this hit their range and they might be waiting for the Turn for a trap. My guess is that they were expecting a bet on the Turn. Your check, in a sense, gives up your hand because I see the 4 as pretty much a blank. So naturally the River bet comes. I don't see this line being taken by A-rag bluff, just because there are still 2 to act and with one being a WTF Calling Station. I believe you are correct in thinking that the Rvr bet is a value bet and not a bluff.

But I would ultimately call if I were you, kind of knowing that our 8's probably aren't going to hold up.
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:35 PM   #10
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By the way, personal question, why are you playing 5c lhe? - is your bankroll tied up in an Oaks security deposit box? you don't have to answer I was just curious that's all ... seems like a player of your caliber could be crushing the 2-4 to 5-T+ OL?
I'm playing online because feeling limited in my ability to get better by playing in the same live game every day. Training videos, for example, are almost entirely geared towards online play.

I'm playing ustakes because, as a US resident, I don't want to put much money online in the current legal environment. I'm basically treating online play as a dojo in which to practice before I take what I learn to my bread-and-butter game live.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:28 AM   #11
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

I think you should bet the turn.

SB is unlikely to check-call the flop with a King in a protected pot. Because of this and the blank on the turn you'll at a minimum be betting a pair of queens again on the turn.

When the turn is checked through and the river pairs SB is basically putting you on a range that tops out around your current holding. He most likely thinks you're a lot weaker than this and can get easy value out of you.

Betting the turn is pretty safe because if either player wakes up and does something versus a bet I think it's an easy fold. SB is unlikely to slowplay until now in a protected pot and a raise in a 3-way pot from a passive fish would tell me I'm beat. And even in that scenario you're only losing 2 outs of equity.

As played you have to call SB's bet -- don't worry about the fish who can have literally anything.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:57 PM   #12
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

I think I b/f the turn.

As played.......idk, river is whatevs. Cry-call or cry-fold river; doubt either one is worse than slimly EV- (a lengthy argument could probably convince me either way).
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

Why not b/f on turn?
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Re: 88 in BB, Protected Pot

For those for b/f turn: are you doing it for value or as a bluff?
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:25 PM   #15
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For those for b/f turn: are you doing it for value or as a bluff?
I would say a bit of both.
If hands like JT, AT, AJ, J9, 7x, etc call, we can be reasonably happy with that. I'm perfectly happy if some of those fold, too (equity protection).

Alternately, if hands like 88-JJ can find a fold (not at all an unreasonably expectation)......
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