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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG+1 with 7 7
1 fold, Hero raises, 5 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (7 SB) 4 4 3 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) J (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

River: (6.5 BB) 8 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

was the hand played correctly ?

That's how I would have played it.

Lol, see Nick C's comments!

NH. Exactly how I would have played it, too. The SB donk sucks, because you know it's like, they have it. But sometimes they donk w/draws or a 3 as well. Call down, take a note of what they're donking with and move on. WP.

it was a c-bet, not a donk. at any rate, to know whether to play wa/wb as you did or to raise, i need information on sb's range

I continue to struggle when deciding if the passive call down approach or the raise flop approach is better.

This is something I need to work on.

Depends on answer to lawdude's question, imo. Against unknown, I'd say nh.

Edit: fwiw, 77 is at very bottom of my opening range from that position, unless I've got a very favorable row of nits lined up on my left.

+1. I'm inclined to play aggressive on that flop.

Final Pot: 8.5 BB
Hero mucks 7 7
SB shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Fours)
SB wins 8.12 BB
(Rake: $0.38)

Tks all of u

dont u guys think when we r raising from early position & sb 3 bets we should fold on turn in such situation if we r playing against avg good player or its too passive?

ur feedback helps a lot in learning

Tks

5plus5:

If you were going to fold on the turn or river, you'd need to know a few things:

1. How often are non-paired hands like AK and AQ in your opponent's range?

2. Will your opponent tend to keep barreling unpaired overcards that miss the board?

3. Are there any pairs smaller than 77 in your opponent's 3-betting range?

This is entirely a range question. Against an unknown, we tend to play wa/wb and call down because your typical opponents will comprise a mix of players who keep barreling hands our 77 beats and players who always have it. But obviously, that play can be wrong against different opponents:

a. Against opponents with narrow 3-betting or 3-barreling ranges, we are always paying off hands that beat us and that we generally have 2 outs against.

b. Against opponents with wide 3-betting or 3-barreling ranges, we are missing value by not getting a raise in somewhere along the line.

And this is why you have to get to know your opponents' tendencies, either through notes or tracking software or both.

Don't raise the flop. We want to keep strength in our peeling range, and the easiest to do that is to peel the flop with everything we're going to play.

I would think about raise/folding the turn. Yes, the J is an overcard, but as such cards go it isn't especially scary.

Two questions:

(1) Is there any hope of folding out TT-88 with a turn raise, or is that thought delusional? (I never had any faith in getting such folds in such a spot, but I rarely played 0.5/1 and I haven't played since Black Friday. So I'm out of touch with the game.)

(2) What kind of ranges are people 3-betting with out of the SB vs. an UTG+2 open at 0.5/1 these days? (The reason I ask is that versus a lot of the ranges I can imagine, we are not a favorite on the turn.)

I think raise/folding the turn is turning a hand with SD value into a bluff, personally, and this seems like a sub-optimal spot to do that. But I will concede this to Alan-- he is right that against a good, observant opponents, there are reasons to do it. (But this is an unknown, so wa/wb seems better.)

he 3bet preflop and raised you on the flop. if your palnning on a c/c all the way down, then you not giving him credit for having a better hand, in that case I agree with ALAN raise/folding the turn, there are a lot of draws out there, flush draw, open ender, nut flush draw maybe AcQc two live overs and a flush draw, just dont get in the habbit of in limit holdem if someone raises just c/calling to the river, the majority of non-winning players do this.

The problem I see with peeling flop and raising the turn is the line itself. It shows a great deal of strength especially on that turn card. The possible FD did not come in, nor did a possible str8t, which implies that we have JJ+.

I think this player, unless he's uber aggro will basically go in to call down mode with any pocket pair, most of which beat us. Perhaps a flop raise in this 3! pot would be better as villain will in all likelihood 3! the flop with hands that beat us along with AK and we can safely fold the turn vs this player.
As, I think Lawdude stated before, I would like to have a good idea of villain's 3! range and possibly how often he double barrels. If he is a turn checker with AK UI or a pocket pair on an overcard board, then I'd rather raise the flop. If he likes to keep the aggression going no matter what then a turn raise is a good idea, IMO.

This is basically my problem with raising the turn-- this is basically a bluff, as we don't expect much of anything that 77 beats to call us down. And I'd prefer to bluff with the bottom of our range than with something with this much showdown value. (Indeed, I'm skeptical of bluffing anything at all given how likely a calldown is with hands that beat us. But if I'm going to bluff, it should be with the bottom of our range.)

Now, against a very good player, you can start running into people who call down turn raises with relatively weak, showdown value hands that 77 beats. And at that point, if the initial 3-betting range was wide enough, we can start to have a conversation about both protecting our flop calls and raising the turn for value. But against a typical player-- nahhh.