UTG is 24/17 and fairly aggro. He's opening about 11% from UTG.
CO is a 36/11 and fairly loose passive.
BB has been a pain in my ass and loves to donks any piece of the board. His turn raise is a pretty strong move for him. He is 37/17 and a bit on the passive side unless he has something. He has drawn to the river pretty thin and sucked out a few times so far. Turn AF is 39. 200 hands or so.

I may have butchered every street except the flop. (well, not quite, but maybe pre and turn.)

[converted_hand][hand_history]Merge, $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 6
MP raises, CO calls, BTN folds, Hero calls, BB calls

With this likely to go off 4 ways I figure this is as good a hand as any to call from the SB.

Flop: (8 SB) T 3 5 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls

C/R is for value

Turn: (8 BB) 7 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP calls, CO folds, Hero calls

UI I was going to check, but picking up a pair to go with my draws felt good enough to bet.....spew?

River: (14 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP folds, hero?

I know the pot is enormous but I want to fold. His Turn raise was strong and on river he continues to bet into 2 people.

river is a fold for me

BB doesnt look to be the type to have enough of a turn raising range for us to be able to profitably call down here with 3rd pair no kicker

im ok with the rest of it given that there are lp's on the left and right of you

*G*

I like the turn bet actually. We took initiative by ch/r-ing the flop and have as many as 17 outs to improve if we are behind. Even if we discount the 6's and 7's for the times that BB has raised with a better hand, we should still have ~26% equity going to the river.

I reckon we have to call the river closing the action even though we are likely to be shown at least a better pair a ton; the pot is just too big imo!! He doesn't have to lose his mind all that often for calling to be b/e.

Fold river and nh.

Small suited connector is a fine cool-call preflop even only 3 ways.

Value-c/r the flop, check.

You have to bet the turn OOP having made the c/r on the flop, in order to maximize the potential of the semi-bluff portion of the c/r. Having bet it you have to call the raise because you have a bucketful of cards that improve your hand.

If your read on BB is accurate, then his raise on the turn means he has at least 7x; the only 7x you beat are 74/72 which I wouldn't expect to have taken 2 to the face with on the flop, especially given that they couldn't even have had a flushdraw. So, you're behind, you're not pushing him off his hand, let it go. I know, 15:1, woo-hoo!

Boz, would you have also B/C the turn had we not picked up a pair and just had a straight FD?

I'm not Boz, but actually you pairing the turn is even less of a reason to bet, as you have picked up SD value.

otherwise. nh!

That's an excellent point that I often forget.

I think I like donking the flop much more than check-raising. A 24/17 TAG may not C-bet his entire range here and when he does bet here, it skews his range towards his stronger holdings. Even with your huge draw, I'm not sure check-raising gives you the most value as you may knock out one of the players behind you.

As played, turn bet is good and river fold is fine.

im not sure if youre advocating a check on the turn here?

i think we must bet the turn with our pair as we now have value/sd value/more equity ect

I don't dare to speak for Bella, but I think she is saying that in the grand scheme of things having improved lessens our need to bet since we now have SOME sd value, but betting is still the way to go....or somethign like that.

I didn't take that she was saying she disagreed with the turn bet as played.

Edit: Although I am now wondering if she advocates calling or folding the river.

Bella answered, but yes. In the immortal words of B^3 (paraphrased), "Sometimes over-the-top aggression is the price we pay for playing a drawing hand OOP."

Does this advice come from the "don't turn your showdownable hand into a bluff" category?

River is a fold for me, I don't care how big the pot is. I just don't think 3rd pair/no kicker is gonna cut it (not even HU).

I'm on the fence about the turn bet; definitely don't dislike it, but I could be convinced c/c is better (more on this at bottom)

I sometimes fold this pf, and I think I'm missing some slim EV+ opportunities in doing so.

I like the flop c/r (CO is loose-passive, so decent assumption you'll get a cbet and cc, and you're then in good relative position to c/r for value). I always feel a little icky doing this oop, though, 'cause I feel sheepish when I then check the turn UI multiway. Feel like I'm always turning my hand face-up at that point. Is that what most of you do with this kind of hand in this position, though?

Edit: Here I think antneye has to raise flop; with fd + gutter I think it's missing too much value to not do so. But suppose he had only the FD, where the value is much more slim. In that instance, is OK to just c/c your draw, too, so your hand isn't so face-up when you then check a blank turn? Thoughts?

betting into 3 other people on the turn with just a fd is foolish.

our equity with just a fd is only around 20% iirc and we still need to fold out 3 other people all whom have called on the flop.

in the scenario where hero has only a 7hi fd and its 4ways to the turn i would just check back after having c/r'd the flop

Hero does have 2nd pair (based on action thus far it could once in a blue moon be the best hand at this point), and also has gutter to nut str8.

Not saying betting turn is right (mostly for reason Bella stated), but it isn't all that bad either (imo).

And picking a nit: hero can't check back, he's first to act.