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01-18-2008, 03:31 PM
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#106
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
My fav hand is now AJo. Stacked the same guy twice within 5 mins. Firstly with a J high flop, secondly when he only called my c-bet with a AKT board, turning a Q. Shipit.
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01-18-2008, 03:34 PM
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#107
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Las Vegas Elephant
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
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Originally Posted by scpi10
What is the best time to play in your opnion? What times do you find to be the fishiest?
I was just looking at pokertracker and there are a few hands I've never won with, but my sample size is small. With your huge amount of hands are there any hands that you haven't won at least 1 pot with?
Here's a really dumb one. If you had to play devil's advocate and a micros poster said to you, I always raise AA preflop could you ever make a case for limping? What would the players have to be like, table conditions, etc.
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scpi, now that i'm limited to american sites i find nights to be softer by far.
hehe as to your question about if i have hands that have never won a pot, i'm not gonna go thru all of em in pt and check  i suspect i've won with every hand at least once thru flopping something out of the blinds or whatever. my sample size is over 1k with each hand at least so i think it's likely.
i don't quite understand your AA question. are you saying he has AA and i play my hand knowing what he has? or are you saying make a case for limping AA pf? if the latter, unless i construct some really elaborate scenario, i don't see it ever happening. the reason we raise a lot of hands pf is so we get action when we have big pairs, and in lhe i don't lrr just on general principle.
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01-18-2008, 03:37 PM
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#108
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Bouncing Around
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
for cbetting, i cbet a ton in both lhe and nl. in lhe i tend to cbet anything i raised pf if there are only 2 guys left in the pot besides me, even if i missed. if i hit or still have a good hand then i'm betting anyway obviously. in nl i cbet a lot hu unless i'm checking behind monsters sometimes in which case i'll balance by checking behind air sometimes too.
in nl there's more tendency to only show down stronger hands though. in 6m lhe ace high or small pairs can be the winning hand a lot of the time so you have to be more showdown-bound. i mean it's not that easy just to do but that's a general idea. for example if you raise pf with aq, bet flop of low cards, check behind turn, you should be prepared to call most rivers most of the time since he'll take a shot at the whole pot and bet a wide range including bluffs. in nl this wouldn't happen as often.
in 6m lhe i never open limp so you should work on that some. post some hands here or in the sssh forum - there are a ton of great posters! there's also a starting hand chart floating around and if you just stick to that as you get used to 6m limit it'll be a really useful learning tool. it should be findable in the search function. but generally 6m lhe stats are mostly raising, like 25/19 or 22/17 or 32/26. one difference in 6mnl is i'll open any pair, and in lhe i fold small pairs early instead of open limping them. implied odds go down in lhe compared to nl obviously.
sorry this has been a bit rambling but i hope it helps some. start at a lower level of lhe where you don't mind losing money for a bit until you adjust, and post some hands here, and ask more questions. good luck!
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Thanks a lot for the answer, BBB. I don't consider it rambling at all. I mean, elephants are full of wisdom and I'm a sponge so ramble on, brother
I think some - if not most - of my open limps have been small pairs in EP, since I felt that raising, getting called by 2 or 3 players, cbetting with air isnt as effective at LHE. I'll search for the hand chart thing to see how it helps. Again, thanks a ton for the answers. Looking forward to reading more in this soon to be epic post!
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01-18-2008, 03:44 PM
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#109
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Las Vegas Elephant
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
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Originally Posted by Mitke
I think we lost a lot of American casual players (= fish, to large extent) with UIGEA. Those still willing going through the extra hassle (?) to play online are either making too good money to stop or just like poker too much -> they're on average pretty good. Even I noticed in my short poker hobby career how the profitable morning games (= late U.S.) died down considerably after UIGEA.
Anyways, nice stuff, much appreciated!
Some questions to the well:
-What are the conceptual leaps a learning poker player needs to make while progressing up the skills ladder?
-What conceptual leaps are in your opinion the toughest to make? For example something you struggled with or have noticed people posting here usually struggle with?
-Can you think of examples of some giveaways in hand posts, etc. that most clearly show that the poster doesn't get a concept?
Hmm.. a bit generic to answer shortly.
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conceptual leaps? i guess you mean things learned/mastered? at first, tight pf play and basic hand selection. later, the ability to play your hand congruently with the flop, ie don't cap the turn with tptk against a passive guy on a scary board just bc u have tptk. even in the nanos not all your opponents are total morons. after that, learning when you can tweak the implied odds, learning what seats are profitable and what opponents you like to have sitting where at the table, things like that. learning to value bet decently, and then value bet thin, are key. not always playing raise or fold is useful too, and knowing when to apply that. knowing when to pump your draws and when not to. knowing when to fold in large pots.
if you have a more specific question ask me that bc i'm afraid i didn't answer very well. i just kind of listed different important things to know but that's not an exhaustive list.
some things people seem to struggle with are value betting, worrying about and understanding variance and sample size, coming in pf with dominated hands, not understanding position, not putting opponents on ranges/using reads, trying to play too fancily, not understanding odds of either kind, not understanding the wa/wb concept, not understanding rio, not understanding adjusting your style at the table, gosh there are a ton! but that's why it's the micros and why i'm here to be helpful! blind play is big too.
related to what i just typed above, you can tell giveaways to a lot of these. it's easy to tell when ppl don't get wa/wb for example in a big pot. and you can tell a lot of these (or at least i can as a veteran) based on the specific hand or post.
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01-18-2008, 03:50 PM
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#110
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Las Vegas Elephant
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
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Originally Posted by kablooey
Hi Babar, killer post!
1- Is it better to just play a session and review hands with PT and post whatever comes up? Or is better to begin and analyze a session with an area of your game in mind?
2- Which sites are offering the best poker and rakeback deals right now? I'm a microNL player, so these things obviously make a huge difference for me...
Thanks!
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ty sir
i would do the session reviews in your forum to get an idea of if other people think you have specific areas of your game that you need to work on. once i'm actually playing i'd rather focus on playing well overall than on focusing on just one specific thing as i might get distracted. having veterans look over your hands, sessions, and stats, can give you ideas for themes that you need to work on / leaks that need to be plugged and then over time you can work on those.
what limit do you play, how many tables, and what game? and what's your approximate bankroll? and i'll give you the best and most appropriate bonus.
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01-18-2008, 03:52 PM
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#111
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
when are you going to be in ac to pwn donks with me, grease, jkam et al. at 10/20 or 20/40
srs question
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01-18-2008, 04:15 PM
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#112
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Las Vegas Elephant
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
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Originally Posted by TimovieMan
Hey BBB,
This has been a superb read, and you’re a real inspiration for me (and to most others at the micros) to improve!
I’m a lazy ass bum myself, so nothing’d please me more than to be able to support myself solely by playing poker. Your story kinda gave me a goal (which I hope to one day achieve but meh if I don’t)…
And I have some questions for the well:
- When did you start playing 9 tables, how long did it take to get comfortable playing 9 tables at once, and did you make adjustments to your play for that?
- How much time do you spend analyzing your own played sessions?
- When do you take notes on opponents when multitabling?
- If you don’t mind sharing, what’s the amount of rakeback you get on average /month or /number of hands played?
- Do you think NL will completely take over limit, or do you follow Mason Malmuth’s beliefs that NL will eventually dry up and everyone will return to limit?
(bennyhana asked a similar question – if you answer his, you obviously don’t have to answer mine unless you think both questions are not so similar)
- What’s your favourite movie? Favourite actor? Favourite actress?
- A sphincter says what?

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ty sir for the nice comments
i started out at 1 tbl until i was comfy and then it seemed natural to go to 2, since if i was winning with 1 i'd win more with 2 right? then i went to 3, 4, etc, just sort of kept adding until i got to 9, 12, whatever. i just got used to the speed and also once you get your pf selection down you can go between tables using the auto-fold or auto-raise checkbox to save time. you end up only involved in maybe 2 or 3 hands at the same time, if that. obviously maybe my winrate was only 1.2/100 at each table instead of 1.7/100, but at 12 tables of 1.2 i was making a lot more than at 5 tables of 1.7, and the bonus was much faster too. dumb example but you get the point.
i analyze a few hands from each table or each session right after i play, so maybe half an hour or an hour each day looking at stuff. then i'll look at the forums a bit as well, post some and maybe post a hand i played, or look in micros or some other forums to see about hands played there and what would i do in them.
i take notes whenever i get any kind of info at all on someone. notes are really key. lately i've been turning off the hud and just using my notes to see if it affects my play. here are some i just took today: 'opened k3o on btn' 'limpcalled kjo pf' 'tag regular 2/4 lhe' 'cr flop with btm pair' 'cr flop w air' 'took wa/wb line with second pair' 'lp fish' 'lagtard' 'pumped flushdraw on flop hu' 'lrr aa pf' 'huge spewmonkey' 'raised gutshot on flop' '3bet 77 out of sb to btn open'
etc etc. there's no downswide to having extensive notes and there is a potentially huge upside.'
monthly rakeback i get anywhere from 300 to 700 dollars based on how much i play and at what limits. i'm only recently moved up to nl100 where i think i'll get more than at nl50.
i answered somewhat in benny's post. i don't think either lhe or nl will ever go away completely. both games are too widespread and popular. even a game like stud, which almost no one from the younger generation plays, is still around strongly. and i think the pool of noobs/fish going into nl is unlikely to run out.
movies i talked about earlier, and i don't have a favorite actor or actress - just don't follow em that much.
as for sphincter...? you give me the excuse to use the barbar pic!
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01-18-2008, 04:23 PM
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#113
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Las Vegas Elephant
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
oh, those highwaymen. johnny cash then for sure.
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01-18-2008, 04:27 PM
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#114
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2007
Location: I fully agree with you Ms.
Posts: 4,427
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
Yeah, those highwaymen, and I concur.
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01-18-2008, 04:31 PM
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#115
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Las Vegas Elephant
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
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Originally Posted by shuinthehouse
BBB - great post, echo above thanks for your contributions, was great meeting you at FW this summer, hope to see you there again despite the fact I can only go a few times a year.
I am about a .75BB/100 winning player over ~55k hands online, 5k .25/50, 40k .5/1, 10k 1/2. When I go to FW I am clearly the best player at the 4/8 table. I don't play 5/10 because I think the 4/8 game is much easier. The difference in stakes is immaterial, so I think the difference is because the 5/10 game has a kill it attracts more laggy players who like to gambool, and more passive types play the 4/8. And some of the better players like yourself and man of means play 5-10 to get the gamboolers money. So I think the 4-8 game is much softer even though the stakes are only slightly different. Do you agree or do you think I should play 5/10 even though the variance may be greater because it's more EV. Bankroll is not an issue. For that matter, I am rolled for 10/20 but don't play it even though the rake impact would drop significantly because I heard numerous times when regulars are discussing different stakes that 10-20 is the toughest game there. Do you agree?
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hi shu, ty for the kind words
it was nice meeting you as well and hopefully we can do it again sometime. i agree that the fw 4/8 is most always soft whereas the 5/10kill is only soft some of the time. during the day the 5/10 is mostly regulars who aren't great but are kinda nitty and hard to win a lot of money from imo. on weekends esp weekend nights both games are juiced up a lot and the 5/10 is probably worth your time then.
as you say, if variance doesn't bother you, and the 5/10 is more +ev, and you're properly rolled, then taking some shots at it shouldn't hurt and should theoretically be the right thing to do...if you had a million bucks and knew the 100/200 was as soft as the 4/8 then you'd sit in the 100/200 right? assuming you can control nervousness with regard to the money
you can always go back to the 4/8 goldmine if you need to. i wouldn't do the 10/20 as yes i've heard and experienced the same thing as you - usually that game has the passive nits who can beat 5/10 by being tight but won't give up a lot postflop. the 20/40 is crazy zany aggro juicy good but you need a ton of money to sit in that game comfortably obviously. if you're rolled for 10/20 then try 5/10kill which plays like maybe 8/16 in the long run if you average in all the kill vs nonkill pots.
good luck and keep me posted!
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01-18-2008, 04:35 PM
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#116
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Las Vegas Elephant
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
kit, lemme know when the trips are happening and i'd love to go. i'm in the process of creating a live roll now.
u have my PM and AIM
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01-18-2008, 05:39 PM
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#117
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TnA man
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
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The dude with the broom @ about 1:06, seems rly familiar, is he "Lucien" from Amelie?
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01-18-2008, 05:46 PM
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#118
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Las Vegas Elephant
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
yeah he sure looks like him doesn't he? should be able to find out on imdb and wikipedia should list band member names for the band
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01-18-2008, 05:48 PM
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#119
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Las Vegas Elephant
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
doesn't seem to match up though
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01-18-2008, 06:34 PM
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#120
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Thesis DONE
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Re: 5K POST: THE BABAR STORY + WELL
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
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Nice song. Ever listen to any Italian music?
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