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Old 07-27-2012, 09:42 PM   #1
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$0.05/$0.10 (6 max) 88 Facing Turn Raise

Reads on Villain: 52/9/38 over 2,114 hands. A Turn x/raise like this will mean a variety of things. Most obviously, a strong hand. Anything from a flopped TP and better. Or they could be on a draw. I've seen them raise/re-raise w/GS & FD. If given the initiative on later streets, they will continue betting whether the draw comes in or not regardless of board texture.

They rarely fold if chips are already on the table. I've seen them limp/call Cap! w/96s UTG. They rarely fold the BB (11%). They call to the River almost every hand they are in (Rvr total fold 40% compared to 20% Flop & Turn). A-high is good as I've seen countless SD w/A-high UI even vs aggression. So Villain's range here, in my mind, is ATC.

$0.05/$0.10 (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players

BB: $4.04
UTG: $3.33
Hero (BTN): $3.62
SB: $2.01

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 8 8

fold, Hero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.30, 3 players) A 4 6
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.05, fold, BB calls $0.05

Turn: ($0.40, 2 players) 9
BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($0.80, 2 players) 6
BB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Don't like the Turn raise. Kind of don't like the River 6. Due to Villain's tendencies, is River fold wrong? My feeling is that since 9:1 to call the River isn't bad, they play so loose and the Turn raise could mean a variety of things, I wanted to SD. Is folding River ever ok here?
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:09 PM   #2
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Re: $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) 88 Facing Turn Raise

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they could be on a draw. I've seen them raise/re-raise w/GS & FD.
on the turn?

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If given the initiative on later streets, they will continue betting whether the draw comes in or not regardless of board texture. They rarely fold if chips are already on the table. I've seen them limp/call Cap! w/96s UTG. They rarely fold the BB (11%). They call to the River almost every hand they are in (Rvr total fold 40% compared to 20% Flop & Turn).

Doesn't apply - these all depend on him showing aggression before the turn or just passively calling down - in this case he's been passive to the turn


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A-high is good as I've seen countless SD w/A-high UI even vs aggression. So Villain's range here, in my mind, is ATC.
Don't think so - you can definitely narrow his range pf to a turn c/r...

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Old 07-28-2012, 01:14 AM   #3
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Re: $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) 88 Facing Turn Raise

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on the turn?
Yes. I have a specific note on Villain where they raise/re-raised me on a turned GSSD. Then fired the river even though they whiffed it. In this hand, he could have any 2 clubs and could have played it this way.

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Doesn't apply - these all depend on him showing aggression before the turn or just passively calling down - in this case he's been passive to the turn
Why not? If Villain held 46, 94, 96, 58 or 72c they could play it the same way. Maybe I'm too tight and folding 58o from the BB against a possible BTN steal is bad. Actually, none of those hands are in my defending range (well, with the exception of maybe 46s). But any one of those hands could be in his. Along with A4-6-9-x. And like I said, they could play all those hands the same way. I was mainly trying to explain how loose their calling standards are, and the reasons why they will make a raise on later streets.

For me, this guy plays whacky as it is. I honestly have a difficult time with this guy because of it. I mean, who 4! a turned gutshot? But on the same token, he'll gladly 4! a turned 2 pair. I've seen him 4! a turned top pair. I'm not saying his raise means nothing. But I've also seen them SD w/a flopped bottom pair, then call against 2 more overs and 4 to a flush. They didn't even hold the suit and I think the pair was like a pair of 3's. Of course they didn't play it in this fashion, but when do you ever think your 3's are good in a situation such as that against 2 others?

Look, I'm not saying I'm much good. In fact you could argue that I'm not. Which is why I don't really post as much as I should, and I lurk too much. I'm constantly learning by just reading what others have to say. I constantly have "Aha!" moments from singular posts by some of the talented regs here. But in my mind, this guy is just plain bad.

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Don't think so - you can definitely narrow his range pf to a turn c/r...
Yes, definitely, but I was referring to his call from the BB PF. Like when I raised I automatically knew he wasn't folding. He never does. If Villain is sitting 2 seats to your left, you are never stealing. Sorry for making things difficult to understand.
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Old 07-28-2012, 04:18 AM   #4
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Re: $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) 88 Facing Turn Raise

Well then, just do what you did and call down his raises and bet bet bet as long as he calls.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:02 AM   #5
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Re: $0.05/$0.10 (6 max) 88 Facing Turn Raise

^ yup, pretty much this - according to your reads you played this perfectly imo
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