while i agree this is probably accounting for some of the variance, it still doesn't explain weight gain after a restrictive diet over a 30 day period.

it is simply not possible to consume 1600-1800 calories a day for 30 days at his 250+ lbs and actually GAIN weight. i suppose if he were consuming massive amounts of sodium or whatever else retains water in the last few days of this period he could put on a lot of water weight, but he'd much more likely see merely reduced weight loss rather than weight gain.

at 1600-1800/calories a day over this period he'd undoubtedly see significant weight loss, and on top of that it's hard to add 25+ pounds in water weight too, yea? does that make sense or am i barking up the wrong tree?

I already did, read my posts again

Dudes, am I writing in a different language? I said over vacation I probably averaged 3k to 4k calories a day.

I don't think averaging 400 calories for lunch is unreasonable when I had 13 lunches: 2 sausages + peppers, 2 omelets (cheese egg), 6 turkey or ham sandwiches, and 3 leftovers from grilled chicken salads...

No you were fairly clear.


If this was intended to apply to the time where you were merely 215 pounds rather than 250, my analysis still stands.

I got confused with how our gchat convo was crossing over to the convo here. If we are talking about this:


My reaction is much the same as El Diablo's, and the analysis still stands. It's just slightly less absurd than it happening at 250 pounds.

Yes 215.

And I'm somehow off on my estimates for that month by 2k calories a day despite knowing I've eaten 800 a day for 6 months, is the only rationale everyone is giving.

Or perhaps you are an extraterrestrial.

I'm not sure how a third of this thread turned into a weight discussion. Maybe try making a separate thread

yeota,

You either have a serious kidney/thyroid/tumor/etc medical issue, are a sleep-eater, or are in complete denial about how much you're eating.

You didn't eat anywhere near 1600-1800 calories a day for a month and gain 25 lbs.

I think they used to use tapeworms for that.

LOL! scame!

As for me regarding the off topic of diet discussions. My weight has been a yo-yo since I can remember. When I get to big I go on a diet and exercise to go all the way down to my appropriate weight. I probably at the peak been 70 pounds over weight. 5'8"

As of late though, I been doing it half ass and only go down to slightly over weight and not lose as much as I should.

I eat **** all day and big portions of it. Everyone is different but for me, I think my diet/exercise works because i take it slow and persevere through even if its negligible gain no matter how long it takes.

Starting any diet or exercise regime you can't expect immediate results or be successful in your goal of what you do or eat that day. The goal is obviously to eat less and to exercise. My goal would be to eat a small healthy balance meal and to do get around 4 miles at a park near me each day. When I first start, as much as I try to eat a small balance meal 3 times a day, I wouldn't be able to hold out and when that happens I eat something reasonable and not gorge myself just so the hunger goes away. If I get really hungry many times, I would eat. I would even eat a burger[a normal one]. My logic is that its still less than what my usual daily intake was and even if it was the same or even more, Im trying. Slow paces.

The key was always trying and not to let your self pig out 100%. I would lapse of course to high calorie meals but I would at most eat 60% of what my normal meal was pre diet.

This would go on for anywhere from 2-4 weeks before I slowly was able to wean my body and appetite to something manageable food wise. This was what I called the hump. Once I got past this hump it was exponantly easy after that. The key for me was to always try and be happy even though it was a miniscule victory for the day. As you keep going day to day it gets easier and easier and finally when you add up all those tiny victories, your daily consumption becomes normal. I believe this is possible for everybody, the only difference is the time it takes for each of us to get over that "hump".

Same with exercising. I would go do something active for four miles. If I had to walk it at first I did. Lucky for me my park forces you to not cheat. Once you get 1.3 miles you might as well finish because u cant cut through. If you did you would still do like 3miles.

This all started because of the commercialized "Subway diet" It was the first diet to work for me. I remember in the beginning I would have to eat ten 6 inch subs just to get through the day [ All the while trying to fill up on fruits and water etc ]but it was still less calories than what I usually ate. Bonus was also that it was pretty tasty which help tremendously. Chicken teriaky.

As for the argument about being obese is a disease etc. I believe everyone has different will power and for some its more difficult to lose weight. In the end its because you gave up, straight and simple. Every one is capable of losing weight and keeping it off but you choose to not care, go the easy route and give up. If anything, the show "The Biggest Loser" proves this but of course not everyone has this type of support system pressure to keep going.

tldr : If you want to lose weight and keep it off. Never stop trying and go baby steps for however long it takes no matter how small the victory. Key is to never stop trying even if u relapse and fail. Next day is another fight day. You lose when you give up and go back to your normal ways. You dont lose when you try each day.

Also eating 8000 calories in a day is easy. I used to eat a full jar of Nutella (750 g, 3950 calories) spread with a full load of bread (450 grams, 1000 calories) before bed with great regularity. I probably ate about 3000 calories to make up the 8000 before that. Also one time I think I also ate a 500 gram jar of peanut butter (3333 calories) with the Nutella and bread.

HOLY ****ING **** PEOPLE THERE IS A HEALTH AND FITNESS FORUM GO TALK ABOUT THIS ******ED **** THERE CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO STORIES OF PEOPLE STEALING.

sorry for yelling i'm a bit tilted just busted 15th in the 5K 6max PLO losing a 400k pot i was supposed to chop then losing a 400K pot with 74% equity.

however that doesn't change that fact that you have derailed a perfectly good thread with a bunch of stupid ****ing health blah blah blah.

wtf.

Is it me, or has it got a lot fatter in here?

I know this, and this in no way changes or invalidates my statement.

I dont get all the hate for fatties itt.

I have several friends trying to quit smoking for years now, while I on the other hand have no urge at all to smoke. I dont go around blaming them that they have no willpower and that they just should look at me how I can resist smoking so they can too.

Its just for some people its easy , for some its hard, and for few its incredibly hard. Just because its easy for you doesnt mean you should berate others who might have it hard.

Crash dieting is a scam and nobody can comply to changes that drastic for a long period of time.

On the ****ty propeller driven planes that fly from London to the Isle of Man sometimes you get the air hostesses redistributing people on the flight so that all the fat people aren't on the same side of the plane.

Fatties going to an 'all you can eat' buffet. Scame!

God, I came into this thread thinking I was going to post about how ****ty it's gotten with the weight talk, now I'm going to add:

I don't know what you define as "long period of time," but I did a "cleanse" in January for 21 days. Here's the post I made in OT about it:

DividesByZero mentioned that diet is 90% of weight loss, and that's totally true. Since January I haven't exercised at all until this week, and weigh 30 pounds less. Six months probably isn't a "long time," but only 21 days of that was crash dieting. The diet itself got me off of craving really ****ty food so much and enjoying healthy foods, and that's stuck. I guess you could still call it a diet, but it's really just being a little bit more conscious about what you're eating.

SG,

"Its just for some people its easy , for some its hard, and for few its incredibly hard. Just because its easy for you doesnt mean you should berate others who might have it hard."

Nobody is disputing that. What's being disputed is the absurd claims by some fatties about their calorie intakes and associated weight gains/losses.

People in this thread don't know how to eat if they think 8000 calories in a day is a challenge. 8000 in a meal is pretty tough but doable, but to eat 8 1000 calorie meals in a day is laughably easy.

as someone who, no matter what his weight is, will carry the fatty instincts deep within his soul the rest of his life (one must shout them down with the might of an exorcist), i can say that eating over 5k calories in a day is just insanely easy. 8k is very doable.

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