You Talk to Fatties (extracted from Scams thread)

[Randal_Graves]

I'm on keto and have lost about 30 lbs since starting it in Feb. (check my post in H&F for progress pics).

Keto is a godsend for people who want to lose fat and still eat fulfilling foods.

[divides_by_zero]

Originally Posted by El Diablo

Tom,

I agree with what you wrote there. But what I said before still holds. Unlikely JP OSU, LFS and others got to how big they were without similar physical and psychological challenges. They managed to do it and so can ytf. Nobody is saying it's easy.

youtalkfunny,

Definitely this. What you need to do to lose weight is simple, but not easy. And I don't know why you keep bringing up the notion that "we all should weigh the same." No one is saying that. But there is clearly a healthy weight for a body type and an unhealthy weight. That varies for different people. But I think we can all agree that 300+ lbs is almost never a healthy weight except for very extreme circumstances.

You are also putting a lot of emphasis on exercise, when exercise really doesn't accomplish that much when it comes to the calories in/calories out equation. Diet is 90%+ of the battle. It's just way easier to not eat 100 calories then it is to burn it off. In fact, it's insane how hard it is to burn off 100 calories when you think about it. That's why so many people start going to the gym, but don't change their diet, then wonder why they aren't losing weight.

And I know plenty of people who have had gastric bypass and lost weight and kept it off. Are they model thin? No, but they've lost 100+ lbs and gotten themselves out of the morbidly obese range and on track to a healthy lifestyle.

It's not easy ytf. I understand. But the main problem in this thread has been people spreading misinformation and misunderstanding how calories work. As long as people are truly believing that they are eating 1600 calories and gaining that much weight, people are just going to give up on trying to lose weight at all cuz clearly it's impossible in that scenario! My mom went to doctors and swore up and down she was counting and weighing everything that went in her mouth and not exceeding 1500 calories a day. She was prescribed diet pills ffs. What finally worked for her was weight watchers which, at its core, is just calorie counting. And now she's down to what she weighed when she was 30. Good luck ytf.

[Schwatt]

Originally Posted by TomCollins

There are things he could actually do to make it a lot easier. But a lot is lack of will power and a nature to make excuses to remove responsibility. It's within reason to expect to be able to drop enough. Add some muscle mass and walk an hour a day and it's actually quite hard to eat enough to maintain that much weight. I wouldn't expect him to get down to 180 or anything, but it should be something within his reach. Unless, of course, he wants to. And it doesn't involve "feeling like I'm going to die of starvation". Whenever I need to lose weight, I will feel pretty terrible, and eventually the pain goes away and I get used to eating smaller amounts, and it's easier with time.

This.

ytf, have you ever done a serious weight training program?

Your Army training seemed really cardio heavy, which doesn't do much for increasing lbm.

let this guy be your inspiration:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=126397703

[Fleebrog]

Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

Thanks, but everyone I've ever seen get it, puts the weight back on. And many of them run into complications. It seems like a dangerous way to get nowhere.

It can work, and work extremely well. It requires total buy-in, and there is significant risk involved. It's certainly not for everybody and is nothing approaching a silver bullet. It's very possible to eat through the bypass, as I guess you have seen in other people. So if you have thought it over and don't think it's for you, then it probably isn't. Just thought I would throw it out there.

There was an older version of bypass surgery that was extremely effective in achieving weight loss, more so than what is currently used. Unfortunately, a whole lot of people died, so they stopped doing it that way. But if you survived, you were gonna be thin.

Anyway, I'm not going to pile on here, I'm sure you've heard it all before. Best of luck.

[euler217]

I don't think anyone is trying to say that everyone craves/enjoys food the same way. I think there are natural differences we're born with concerning this and habitual differences, meaning that when you are used to eating an excess amount of calories for years and years the feeling of eating at maintenance or a deficit is extremely painful mentally and physically. The feeling of being stuffed regularly and never being hungry really changes your brain. I've been able to quit smoking and drinking fairly easily but food is something that I still crave badly and eating at a slight deficit just sucks.

The thing that is the same though for everyone: net calories = (calories consumed) - (calories burned).

I do hope you find a way to make it work, youtalkfunny.

Also, this is one hell of a thread derail. Did not see this thread taking a turn...

[BigFishSmallCardRoom]

I didn't realize this turned into a pure weight-loss thread.

I have a real scam (never tried it but am sure it would work at least 5% of the time):

Say you forgot to move your car for street cleaning here in San Francisco. You will probably get a ticket for ~$65 that the kind parking enforcement folks will put on your windshield. Chances are that someone else also forgot to move their car and got a ticket at the same time as you. What you do is take the ticket off of their car and put your ticket under their windshield wipers. If that person forgets to verify that the license plate on the ticket is theirs, they will just pay that ticket (your ticket) and you profit$.

If you get a courtesy notice from parking a few weeks later that the ticket is not paid, you just pay it then. Freeroll.

Of course this is horrible and totally screws over the other person so please never do this.

[yeotaJMU]

since karak brought this up to me again and now im mad, i shall add this


ive been dieting again recently.

i went to the beach for 2 weeks. during that 2 weeks, i gained 15 lbs.

this was while being active/swimming/running around the ocean for 3 hrs a day. playing golf 2x. working out 3 times a week in the gym. walking 1 mile a day to and fro the ocean.


i drank heavily ~12 drinks 2 days. I did have around 4-5 drinks a day.


lunch typically consisted of a sandwich or omelet. 2 days i had 1 sausage with peppers. 3 days i had left over salad for lunch.

we ate out often. i had fried seafood 3 times. BBQ half chicken twice. grilled/baked fish/shrimp ~3 times. 2 times grilled chicken salad. 1 time seafood pasta with a cream sauce 1 small piece of stouffers lasagna one night and 2 slices of pizza another night.

i snacked most days. 1 bag of chips and dip, or some nuts, or some chips and salsa. occasionally leftover salad.

i had dessert most nights. light portioned ice cream (~180 calories), shared a slice of cheesecake twice (4 ways). had a slice of coconut cake once. had some oreos.



so, an average lunch for me was probably ~400 calories.

have to figure an average dinner was fairly large, so maybe ~1000 calories

alcohol- ~1000 calories a day

snacks- ~300 calories a day

dessert ~300 calories a day


taking those averages puts me at 3000 calories a day. lets assume i somehow underestimated by 1000 calories. so thats 4k a day.


now for the math geniuses out there, what is 15 lbs over 13 days? well, that leaves me a surplus of ~4000 calories a day. well something doesnt add up.




IM SUCH A FREAK, I BROKE PHYSICS GUYS. ITS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE BUT I DID IT!!!!

[Party]

someone close this thread or shut up the goddamn non-scam-story posts please. WHO CARES. GODDAMN. TAKE IT TO THE FITNESS FORUM OR SOMETHING.

[mullen]

Yeota,

Thanks for the rundown. Nice job eating 4000 cals a day and only gaining 15 lbs in 2 weeks, your metabolism must've really perked up. Normally eating 1600 cals a day you'd gain nearly the same amount, so well done on your metabolism's part. However, we can solve this riddle using Occam's pretty easily, what's more likely

a) YeotaJMU has defied thermodynamics and/or gets his food from the same guy who sold Jack his Beanstalk Beans

or

b) YeotaJMU is yet another fat person who has no clue how many calories are in food

[yeotaJMU]

well im sorry you cant see the difference in a 260lb person and a 215 lb person

im sorry my "roughly 16-1800 calories in about a month" = EXACTLY 1600 calories a day for EXACTLY 30 days



im just a ****ing enigma, man

[yeotaJMU]

or maybe, like was mentioned itt, it has to do with the conditioning of the body? maybe my body was used to eating 1200 calories a day for 8 months and then spazzed a blew up with it starting getting more, and carbs?


NOPE YOUR JUST A DUMBASS FATTY GO KILL YOURSELF

[goofball]

Originally Posted by yeotaJMU

since karak brought this up to me again and now im mad, i shall add this


ive been dieting again recently.

i went to the beach for 2 weeks. during that 2 weeks, i gained 15 lbs.

this was while being active/swimming/running around the ocean for 3 hrs a day. playing golf 2x. working out 3 times a week in the gym. walking 1 mile a day to and fro the ocean.


i drank heavily ~12 drinks 2 days. I did have around 4-5 drinks a day.


lunch typically consisted of a sandwich or omelet. 2 days i had 1 sausage with peppers. 3 days i had left over salad for lunch.

we ate out often. i had fried seafood 3 times. BBQ half chicken twice. grilled/baked fish/shrimp ~3 times. 2 times grilled chicken salad. 1 time seafood pasta with a cream sauce 1 small piece of stouffers lasagna one night and 2 slices of pizza another night.

i snacked most days. 1 bag of chips and dip, or some nuts, or some chips and salsa. occasionally leftover salad.

i had dessert most nights. light portioned ice cream (~180 calories), shared a slice of cheesecake twice (4 ways). had a slice of coconut cake once. had some oreos.



so, an average lunch for me was probably ~400 calories.

have to figure an average dinner was fairly large, so maybe ~1000 calories

alcohol- ~1000 calories a day

snacks- ~300 calories a day

dessert ~300 calories a day


taking those averages puts me at 3000 calories a day. lets assume i somehow underestimated by 1000 calories. so thats 4k a day.


now for the math geniuses out there, what is 15 lbs over 13 days? well, that leaves me a surplus of ~4000 calories a day. well something doesnt add up.




IM SUCH A FREAK, I BROKE PHYSICS GUYS. ITS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE BUT I DID IT!!!!

Hm. So either physics applies to everyone but you or something is wrong with your measurements.

[toddw8]

Originally Posted by BigFishSmallCardRoom

I didn't realize this turned into a pure weight-loss thread.

I have a real scam (never tried it but am sure it would work at least 5% of the time):

Say you forgot to move your car for street cleaning here in San Francisco. You will probably get a ticket for ~$65 that the kind parking enforcement folks will put on your windshield. Chances are that someone else also forgot to move their car and got a ticket at the same time as you. What you do is take the ticket off of their car and put your ticket under their windshield wipers. If that person forgets to verify that the license plate on the ticket is theirs, they will just pay that ticket (your ticket) and you profit$.

If you get a courtesy notice from parking a few weeks later that the ticket is not paid, you just pay it then. Freeroll.

Of course this is horrible and totally screws over the other person so please never do this.

Quoting this to try and get the thread back on track. This is a pretty solid scame imo.

[yeotaJMU]

Originally Posted by goofball

Hm. So either physics applies to everyone but you or something is wrong with your measurements.

its just simple math man, i love lying to anonymous people over the internet about what i ate while on vacation

[mullen]

Originally Posted by yeotaJMU

its just simple math man, i love lying to anonymous people over the internet about what i ate while on vacation

The only thing that's simple math is calories in and out. There's no simple math with you forgetting how many Oreos you stuffed your face with after dinner or how many rum and cokes you had.

You are not special and your body does not conjure calories out of thin air.