Think about it, if you were physically able to cut down 80 pounds or whatever it goes to show that you CAN do it. You just don't have the mental fortitude to keep eating right and working out and slip back into your old ways.
Was it a lack of mental fortitude? Is there no other possibility?
I'm guessing you have no experience dropping 80 pounds and still being 100+ pounds overweight, so let me tell you what it's like--there's more to it than meets the eye.
First, it takes constant, round-the-clock dedication to get this far. It's a never ending battle. Now, if we're all supposed to weigh the same, how come I need to battle for what comes easily to others? Doesn't that, all by itself, suggest the notion that we're all supposed to weigh the same is nuts?
Second, here comes the plateau. None of you diet and calorie know-it-alls have addressed that yet. Suddenly, at a certain point, the pounds stop coming off. Why? I'm still doing exactly what I did to get to this point--why did the progress stop?
"Oh, he must be sneaking in a candy bar!" Please take me at my word when I say that's not it. Again, I'm doing exactly what I did to drop the first 80. Why did the pounds stop coming off? Why do these meals feel less satisfying? Again, when I use the world "satisfying", I don't mean "as delicious as a cheeseburger", but rather I mean, "Wow, I just ate the whole thing and I'm still hungry." What changed? I promise you, it's a PHYSICAL change, not a mental one. My BODY is resisting my efforts to lose this weight, to burn this fat.
After a while, if this "constant dedication", this "never-ending battle" gets you nowhere, you know what? You stop fighting it. Sure, I could keep battling to stay on that plateau, but I'm still fatter than anyone you know, so why bother? If I'm going to be the fattest guy you know, then I'm taking the bacon that goes with it!
Originally Posted by Fleebrog
youtalkfunny: Gastric bypass (or other surgeries) may be something to consider. I imagine you have already thought about it, but just throwing it out there.
Thanks, but everyone I've ever seen get it, puts the weight back on. And many of them run into complications. It seems like a dangerous way to get nowhere.
Originally Posted by Team_Josh122
Saying you do extra pt in the army doesn't mean anything except you failed your pt test. Extra pt is a joke and means u stretch and walk an extra hour. And unless this was at basic no nco is going to stand over you to see what u eat for every meal. And just because you can't get off post doesn't mean u can't get crap food from the shopette or the million fast food restaurants on post.
Every word of this is wrong. Or, at least it was at the Presidio of Monterey in 1992:
--I never failed a PT test. On the day I was discharged, I had the highest PT score in my platoon, out of the kids who had similar time in service. Back then, a score of 300 points (100 each in pushups, situps, and 2-mile run) was a "max". Our company had a policy that anyone scoring 270 or better (average 90+ in each) was excused from mandatory PT, and had their name posted on a big display near the CO's office. My last PT test I scored a 269 (and my scores were rising with each monthly diagnostic test).
--The extra PT I mention was "Overweight PT". While the other kids were doing an hour of stretching and pushups on Mon-Wed-Fri, the Overweight PT'ers went off separately, and here's how I spent my year in Monterey:
Mon-Wed-Fri: Six mile run
Tue-Thr: 30 mins of pushups and situps (can't ignore those in the army), 30 minutes at the fitness center doing something aerobic (I played racquetball with my friends, usually staying 90 minutes, my friends tag-teaming me, keeping me on the court the full 90).
That was the mandatory stuff. On Saturdays, I'd get on my bicycle and pedal Monterey's famous 17-mile Drive. Tack on a couple of miles each way to get there and back, and we're over 20 miles on the bike each week.
Sundays I'd rest. I'd have to--I couldn't get out of bed! "Extra stretching", indeed!
Guys, I know it goes counter to everything you've been told your whole life, and it's hard to accept such ideas, but look at that workout schedule, and tell me how anybody who trained like that could be kicked out? Not only for failing to make weight, but for not even coming CLOSE to the number! I was 25 years old, I should have been able to eat pizza and milkshakes every night and STILL made weight with that sort of workout schedule!
--Yes, the NCO in charge of the Overweight PT program was there, watching what his charges were eating, every meal. Just like boot camp. Remember, this was AIT, we weren't free and clear of that boot camp mentality just yet (yes, AIT lasts a year or more at the foreign language school in Monterey).
--There were no fast food outlets on base in Monterey when I was there. There may have been a no-name pizza or burger joint in the tiny PX, but I swear on my mother, I never ate there, not once. I will allow that near the end, when I could take no more crying myself to sleep, I was calling out for pizza or Chinese delivery, but the die had already been cast by that point, were already one year+ into this nonsense.
I don't know why I need to type all this. This entire discussion should have went like this:
ME: When you and I sit down to eat identical meals, you feel full when we're finished, and I feel just as hungry as I did before we ate anything.
YOU: Really? Wow, no wonder you keep eating!
Originally Posted by El Diablo
Put much simpler than all the stuff I and others have written here: if JP OSU and LFS can do it, so you can you. It's just a matter of whether you really want to or not.
I don't know how you can read what I've written today, and conclude that I lack the will.
I can only imagine that either you're not listening to what I'm saying (eating doesn't relieve my hunger the way it relieves yours), or that we have different definitions of "will".
To me, "will" is wanting a candy bar or a cupcake, and saying no to it.
It seems to me that you guys define will as: "Even though you feel like you haven't eaten in three days, you should try not eat right now." If that's will, then you're right, I don't have that. I don't WANT that. But I can't believe that any of you live like that, either. If I'm wrong about that, tell me. I'll be shocked, but I'll believe you.
I'm done posting about this, it's all stuff I've written before, any way.
Oh, one last thing:
"I have three kids, and although they all eat the same foods and get equal amounts of exercise, one of them is fat."
While people do have metabolic and other differences, I bet the main reason is that the one kid is eating a little bit more and is a little bit less active.
You'd lose that bet. He's always been more active than the other two combined.
Now the three of them are hitting their teen years, and he's starting to eat more than the others. His mother and grandmother are horrified by it. He's not weak--he's just got what I've got, an abnormal appetite that isn't satiated by normal eating.
Maybe "choose to be gay" was a bad example earlier, but the word "abnormal" has me thinking: You guys wouldn't go to the nuthouse and chide the patients for not trying hard enough to be like everybody else. You'd realize that there's something abnormal about their physical makeup. It's completely illogical to think that NOBODY IN THE WORLD could have something abnormal about their metabolism, or appetite, or whatever the root cause happens to be.
(I had so much to do today, and I didn't get to any of it, I got so sucked into this.)