You Talk to Fatties (extracted from Scams thread)

[Fabian]

Now that your claim is that it's difficult to eat 2k calories worth of nuts a day every day over the course of many months, I will agree with you, but I'm not sure we're talking about something that's relevant to anyone any more.

Also +1 to El D and Noah.

[kkcountry]

Originally Posted by Karak

I've also started food logging again as a result of this thread

+1 weighing in tomorrow am

[goose58]

Originally Posted by NoahSD

Adding donuts and chocolate eclairs won't hurt the weight loss if the person sticks to their allotted calories and works out. The point is that when you're trying to eat fewer calories, you should avoid things that 1) make it very easy and convenient to eat way too many calories and 2) have an amazing amount of calories relative to how filling they are.

While what you say is true, donuts are empty calories and obviously deleterious to health. Nuts are clearly the opposite.

While it is common knowledge that nuts are high in calories, the data does not support the notion that nuts cause an increase in weight gain. All the research I've seen shows that nut consumption has no effect on weight gain or actually helps with weight loss.

Do you have evidence to contradict these claims? Aside from the obvious excess calories = weight gain. We've already established that reduced calories are needed for optimal weight loss.

[ReStueyed]

Condiments with zero calories.

[goose58]

Originally Posted by Fabian

Now that your claim is that it's difficult to eat 2k calories worth of nuts a day every day over the course of many months, I will agree with you, but I'm not sure we're talking about something that's relevant to anyone any more.

Also +1 to El D and Noah.

It's relevant because a persons diet isn't confined to just a day. You claimed it's easy to eat 2k calories worth of nuts a day, but not over the course of a many months. If that's true, over-consumption is no longer an issue.

[Fabian]

Originally Posted by goose58

It's relevant because a persons diet isn't confined to just a day. You claimed it's easy to eat 2k calories worth of nuts a day, but not over the course of a many months. If that's true, over-consumption is no longer an issue.

Come on man now you're embarrasing yourself.

[goofball]

Originally Posted by kkcountry

+1 weighing in tomorrow am

Originally Posted by RR

I am starting in the morning after reading this. I have been off my diet for quite some time; time to dust of the scale and assess the damage.

Originally Posted by Karak

I've also started food logging again as a result of this thread

Originally Posted by yeotaJMU

YTF, since I am on a diet now also (and HUD everyone, not a crash diet like I was before, I have learned since then) I will post my food with you once in awhile (im not going to go crazy logging everything like I did before). I find its easier to do it along with someone.


Here is what I ate today:




Currently 6ft. 263

I've lost about (note: esitmate) 17lbs since May to this point.

and FTR when I would have nuts as a snack when on my crash diet I would have 1/3 cup of pistachios.

:thumbs up: for all thelogging

[ballin4life]

Originally Posted by goose58

Well considering studies have shown that nuts contribute to weight loss, your observation is moot.

I dare you to eat 2k calories in nuts.

Originally Posted by goose58

While what you say is true, donuts are empty calories and obviously deleterious to health. Nuts are clearly the opposite.

While it is common knowledge that nuts are high in calories, the data does not support the notion that nuts cause an increase in weight gain. All the research I've seen shows that nut consumption has no effect on weight gain or actually helps with weight loss.

Do you have evidence to contradict these claims? Aside from the obvious excess calories = weight gain. We've already established that reduced calories are needed for optimal weight loss.

Correlation is not causation. I've seen studies that show that people who eat nuts are less likely on average to be overweight, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to eat nuts if you're trying to lose weight.

[Karak]

the other night i was focused and busy working on a project beating a deadline of some sort. next to me i had a jar of almonds to snack on.

4 hours later when i was done, i looked at the jar and realized without even consciously noticing i had consumed just about half of it. i dont even remember eating them. i just kept snacking as a nervous habit while working.

based on how empty the jar was at that time (it was full when i started), i estimated i had just consumed 1400 calories in nuts.

(ill spare you the details, but my digestive system was not pleased with me)

[Gizmo]

lol, karak likes to eat nuts, lol.

[goose58]

Originally Posted by Fabian

Come on man now you're embarrasing yourself.

You stated that eating 2k calories worth of nuts a day is very easy. I conceded my point and agreed with you. I stated that over the course of months, eating 2k calories a day of nuts is hard simply due to boredom, and you agreed.

If that's true, that means that consuming 2k calories a day for months is difficult to do, and unlikely to happen.

[z28dreams]

I'd actually highly encourage someone on a diet to eat nuts, just because they help people feel satiated really quickly.

The danger, of course, is that fatties can't ration, so they could be potentially dangerous. You'd really have to pre-measure out single serving portions and keep them in little snack baggies.

What bothers me about all of the "only calories matter" people in this thread is that they are completely disregarding how different foods affect your appetite.

Could you eat a doughnut or chocolate eclair and still lose weight? Sure, but I'd argue that if you replaced those calories with an equal amount of nuts that you'd be way, way better off.

While total # of calories is certainly a good starting point, it's crazy to think that other properties of food don't affect weight gain or appetite.

Fats and protein help you feel satiated.
Wheat, grains, and carbs spike your blood sugar and make you hungry.
Wheat has gliadin which makes you hungry.
Wheat and sugar prevent leptin from working properly which can keep you eating all day.

A simple lower calorie plan with a log is obviously a great starting point for someone that's way overeating, but that's sort of like treating the symptom instead of the disease. If you eliminate foods that encourage them to overeat you'll be off to a much better start.

[goose58]

Originally Posted by ballin4life

Correlation is not causation. I've seen studies that show that people who eat nuts are less likely on average to be overweight, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to eat nuts if you're trying to lose weight.

I agree with you. I did however, post this abstract, please read:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14574348

I've yet to see any evidence supporting the claims in this thread that nut consumption results in weight gain, apart from the obvious excess calories = weight gain.

[NoahSD]

I don't have evidence to contradict your claims, but I think that they're extremely implausible.

One of the huge problems in the field of nutrition (and, more generally, medicine) is that finding results of high statistical significance tends to be very difficult in practice, so as a result, a very low standard of statistical significance is set, usually 95% confidence intervals. As a result, one in twenty studies that should have boring results have extremely exciting results and get published. The other nineteen get thrown out. There are a lot of things to study in nutrition and a lot of people studying them, so as a result, there's a ton of bull**** out there. Plus, people fudge things. Plus, the human body is very complicated, so it's really really easy to get false results at an even higher rate than once every 20 studies. E.g., people can do observational studies, which are only useful as guidance for further studies and completely worthless for anything else.

So, when I hear a claim about human nutrition, I am extremely skeptical. I basically don't believe anything that doesn't at least have some explanation for its efficacy. In other words, when I drop a nut into the vat of hydrochloric acid in my belly, dissolve it in there, and proceed to convert it painstakingly into human fat, glucose, amino acids, ****, a few ubiquitous vitamins and minerals (the water-soluble ones will be mostly pissed out because I'm nowhere near deficient in any water-soluble vitamins or minerals), and a small amount of other things, I don't find it to be incredibly plausible that this is going to somehow be remarkably different than dropping any other food in there. If someone says otherwise without any explanation for why besides "It's good for you" or "It's got this thing in there which is good for you" or "Some study that uses the statistical significance standards in medicine found that it was likely to be good for you", I don't believe it.

If I did believe all of these things, I'd have to simultaneously believe that everything that I'm eating was both extremely good and extremely bad for me. That would make my life difficult.

[z4reio]

I'm craving nuts now.

Due to my activity levels, I can eat an entire jar with no issue. Going to the store now.