You Talk to Fatties (extracted from Scams thread)

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This is going to fail Tony P style I can see it now.

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Originally Posted by Fleebrog

Yes, I've read Dr. Atkins' book, and I'm somewhat familiar with biochemistry.

There are urine strips that will test for ketosis. If you are turning urine strips purple, you are in ketosis. Meaning that your body is using ketone bodies (derived from burning fat) for fuel.

If you eat 100% protein and not an iota of carbohydrate for several weeks, you will go into ketosis. This is a fact. The Atkins induction diet is pretty severe with carbohydrate restriction, I believe it is 20g carbohydrate per day. This is more than enough to send a typical person into ketosis.

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Nope! Excess protein gets converted into glucose, kicking you out of ketosis if you eat too much. Replace that 100% protein by 30% protein and 70% fat ;-)

[youtalkfunny]

Heh, I like this thread a lot more now that you guys are yelling at each other and not at me.

(I'm off to work, see ya tonight.)

[mullen]

Suzzer,

Rice is just empty carbs. It is virtually irrelevant which rice he chooses. A cup of brown rice will have like 4g more protein and 3g more fiber but also taste worse. You dont eat rice for trivial amounts of protein. If he wants some grilled chicken stirfry he can have some white rice, it doesn't matter and his diet will be unaffected.

LOL @ people strawmanning Victor's arguments into eating 2k cals of Oreos and bagels a day. What a joke. He's been advocating lean meats and satisfying foods since the beginning. Just pointing out you wont die if you have a small amount of rice with dinner.

[euler217]

Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

Hey, for the record, the only crying I ever did was in the army. I have no plans of REMOTELY exercising now like I did then.

That fitness pal site is recommending 2710 calories/day for me, so I'm thinking we don't have to go straight to oatmeal just yet. I'll spend the next day or two logging the omelets and meatballs, and we'll go from there.

On My Fitness Pal if you go to Settings -> Update diet/fitness profile -> What is your goal? you can set how many pounds per week you want to lose. I'm not telling you to change anything but maybe you didn't see this setting before.

Also if you input exercise it will calculate that into your daily calorie goal, which is cool.

[PeteMesquite]

Originally Posted by Dudd

Sure, but the problem with having some platonic ideal diet is that he runs the risk of completely falling off the wagon when the inevitable deviations happen. Again, no one is saying bagels should be the backbone of his diet, but if he ends up eating one, he needs to understand that it's just a few hundred calories, it hasn't ****ed up his whole diet despite being evil carbs, and it's no excuse for not making progress. If eating a few bagels a week keeps him sane, go for it, he just has to make sure it fits into his overall goals, and he has to understand the difference between eating a few bagels a week and a few bagels slathered in peanut butter every morning.

No one is saying he cant eat a bagel every once in a while. We are saying he needs to fill his diet with more compete foods than JUST bagels in order to accomplish his long term goals.

[youtalkfunny]

Yeah, I went with the "recommended" one pound/week. I also plan to exercise 3 times/week to start.

I know, but I've got to baby these knees.

And for the folks who keep recommending I go to a doctor for advice/blood work/thyroid check/etc: What are you, Canadian? I live in the USA in 2012, I don't have health insurance!

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by mullen

Suzzer,

Rice is just empty carbs. It is virtually irrelevant which rice he chooses. A cup of brown rice will have like 4g more protein and 3g more fiber but also taste worse. You dont eat rice for trivial amounts of protein. If he wants some grilled chicken stirfry he can have some white rice, it doesn't matter and his diet will be unaffected.

LOL @ people strawmanning Victor's arguments into eating 2k cals of Oreos and bagels a day. What a joke. He's been advocating lean meats and satisfying foods since the beginning. Just pointing out you wont die if you have a small amount of rice with dinner.

That's fine, I'm just going by what my nutritionist told me. He asked which kind was better so I offered.

Throwing out the bagels and oreos was a good thing. Take it from someone who has had issues with food. If he won't do that he's probably not ready to really diet.

[mullen]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I answered because he asked. I got advice from the nutritionist. I googled to make sure I was remembering right. Please post something showing white rice is the same - I linked to a bunch of results that said brown rice is better.

I'm googling just to see if I can find anything that says they're the same and I can't find anything. Brown rice has more fiber. That is a good thing.

Lol yeah I love that argument. Both contain trivial amounts of fiber but brown rice has THREE TIMES AS MUCH SO IT'S BETTER!!!

Reminds me of that I think Capital One commercial where they brag about having 50% higher interest rates on their checking account than other leading banks. It's like .001% interest vs .0015% and there's $100 bills raining from the sky and ****.

Edit: just saw your post Suzzer I get you. Not your fault just further proof of the amount of misinformation about losing weight/diet etc

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

Yeah, I went with the "recommended" one pound/week. I also plan to exercise 3 times/week to start.

I know, but I've got to baby these knees.

And for the folks who keep recommending I go to a doctor for advice/blood work/thyroid check/etc: What are you, Canadian? I live in the USA in 2012, I don't have health insurance!

Have you been tested for diabetes/pre-diabetes? What's your job? I'd do everything I can to land a job with health insurance if I were you. You're going to need it.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by mullen

Lol yeah I love that argument. Both contain trivial amounts of fiber but brown rice has THREE TIMES AS MUCH SO IT'S BETTER!!!

Reminds me of that I think Capital One commercial where they brag about having 50% higher interest rates on their checking account than other leading banks. It's like .001% interest vs .0015% and there's $100 bills raining from the sky and ****.

[El Diablo]

Pete, suzzer: What Victor said. Sure, different foods will be healthier, more filling for the calories, less sugar spikes, and overall better choices for him, but there's simply no reason he can't get started right now with that set of basic foods.

Ytf: OK. So we're talking ~3500 calories to maintain your weight. That is a ton. You could have a Big Mac and Large Fries three times a day and probably lose a couple pounds a month. I bet something like 2500 would be a good goal for you that would let you eat a good amount of satisfying food and reduce but not go cold turkey on things you love like bread and potatoes. All you need to do is eat less of the stuff than you do now, and over time start replacing things with healthier options like the guy who posted the list of spinach, sweet potatoes, quinoa, etc listed.

At 2500 calories, you could have like:
3 eggs scrambled w/ a half tbsp of butter: ~300 cals
half a bagel: 150 cals (this can be like 100-250 depending on size of bagel, this is the sort of thing you'll have to pay attention to when you buy groceries)
breakfast sausage: 200 cals (again, depends on size/type, but that's 2 or 3 breakfast links)
650

200 cal snack midmorning - whatever, maybe the other half of that bagel w/ a little bit of butter or cream cheese

2 hot dogs, 2 tortillas - about 600 cals

200 cal afternoon snack - whatever

2 cups cooked pasta (4oz dry pasta) - 400 cals
meatballs - 400 cals (this is about a half pound worth of meatballs from lean ground beef)
sauce - 100 cals

That's 2550. You need to check calorie counts on packages and weigh stuff and make sure you are actually hitting those numbers (or whatever numbers your goals end up being) and not just guesstimate. But that's how much food of that type you could eat for about 2500 cals, which would likely result in you losing about 8 lbs per month for a while. Once you get in the habit of tracking stuff, you can start replacing some stuff with healthier alternatives and feel just as full/satisfied for fewer calories. You can have a whole ****ton of roasted veggies/sweet potatoes/etc for very few calories. It's all a process, and one you can definitely get started on today without making radical wholesale changes to your current lifestyle.

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Originally Posted by PeteMesquite

No one is saying he cant eat a bagel every once in a while. We are saying he needs to fill his diet with more compete foods than JUST bagels in order to accomplish his long term goals.

oh thanks for clearing that up, the amount of people saying he should only eat bagels was really getting overwhelming

[Ponies]

Idiots itt should not be trusted. Anyone who knows wtf they are talking about will know that this stuff has been written about extensively by people way more knowledgeable than themselves. If you actually care about dieting, go to lyle mcdonalds site and read the entire fat loss section, starting with the fat loss fundamentals section.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/cat...s-fundamentals

You Are Not Different
All over the internet, on forums dedicated to everything from weight loss to muscle gain, people will loudly argue that they are different. “My metabolism is different.”, “My nervous system is different”, “My muscles are different”, things of that sort. Everyone is a unique and delicate flower, just like their mom told them.

This usually follows them explaining why the good advice that others have used can’t possibly work for them. They are also usually the ones making no progress who won’t even consider trying something else. THEY. ARE. DIFFERENT.

Individuals who have a lot of fat to lose either think that they can magically gain weight eating only a few hundred calories per day, or that they can lose weight just by rearranging their food in some special way. Because their metabolism is different.

Diets play on this of course, hiding the simple fact that they are causing you to eat less in a complicated pseudoscience of macronutrient ratios and such. But there is never any magic to be had when you look at these books critically: it all comes down to making the person eat less, exercise more, or both. It’s just hidden in complex schemes and pseudo-physiology.

Before you think I’m just coming down on overweight individuals, let me say that bodybuilders and athletes want to magically gain muscle and lose fat with a similar rearrangement of nutrients. That by adding some magical nutrient (usually an overpriced supplement) will make them start gaining muscle (or losing fat) without changing the dynamics of the energy balance equation. In the same way diet books play on the frailties of overweight individuals, supplement companies play on the frailties of the athletes telling them to “Use this product if you aren’t gaining” when the real problem lies with the diet or training program.

In short: you can’t beat thermodynamics anymore than anything else in the universe. You. Are. Not. Different. You can’t gain bodymass unless your energy intake exceeds your energy output because you can’t make something out of nothing (muscle or fat). And you can’t lose bodymass unless your energy intake is less than your energy ouput. These are rules that every system in the universe has to follow, including the human body. Nature’s rules, not mine to quote the all-knowing Mr. Miyagi. We may not like them, but we have to live by them anyway.

[nuclear500]

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