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Old 06-19-2012, 06:18 PM   #46
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3five,

There are certainly numerous valid points in your post. And calories definitely have different impact in different situations and people.

But none of that makes the claim of a 215lb guy eating ~1700 cals/day and gaining almost a lb a day any less absurd.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:14 PM   #47
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In doing my research to find Airlines Fat People Flying Policies I found this article online that I thought was hilarious: http://www.xojane.com/relationships/...nes-fat-people
I liked these lines:
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But the fact is I have probably been the gross fat seatmate in someone’s airplane horror story. There’s not much I can do about that.
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(Guy mad at having to sit next to a "400" lb. man whose) outrage seems to be chiefly directed at the airline, which is where any outrage on these matters belongs.
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I do think it’s reasonable to expect airlines to provide reasonable accomodations to all bodies, without surcharging the people who require slightly more space than others.
They display an utterly astounding lack of personal responsibility IMO. Comments on that site are crazy as well, it's like bizarro OOT.

FWIW, I always thought I was the skinny guy that could eat whatever he wanted and not gain weight, but this thread has let me know that my life experiences are false (j/k I really learned that I just don't eat that much).

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Old 06-19-2012, 07:17 PM   #48
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I don't know if I've ever seen this fully explained before (what cycle your body operates on), but I would guess this isn't true from personal experience. I once went on a diet with a cheat day, and during that cheat day, I'm sure I ate enough excess calories (ordering two large blizzards in between meals), where if you averaged out the week I would have not been "dieting" at all, but still maintained my weightloss. Maybe i wasn't fully digesting all of the calories I was eating during the splurge. I would spend a considerable amount of time on the toilet the next day.

I am not sold on the pure math problem model that a lot of this forum seems to operate on when it comes to weightloss and weight gain. From my experience, I think most people have a base weight their body wants to be at and you have to work hard to change it. I've worked out a decent percentage of my life and have went from various stages of bulky to lean, to extremely lean, etc, mostly on purpose. From what I can tell, whether bulking or leaning out, once you maintain a weight for a few months, your body "tries" to stay about that weight. How it does so (whether through metabolism, hormones, insulin levels, or whatever), I don't think is simply explained.

There are many cases of people losing a lot of weight and gaining a decent amount back eating less than a math problem would say is necessary to do so. Ask anyone that has been in an accident where they ended up losing a lot of weight in a short period of time. Lost muscle mass seems to come back very quickly and easily, much more so than if you were just a skinny kid trying to gain size. In those cases the muscle cells are already there, just depleted, and with the skinny kid, he has to add cells which is a lot harder to do. Fat cells are likely similar.

I just don't think bodies and weight are a simple calculation. Although I'm not letting fatties off the hook when it comes to claiming to being born fat. I just think when it comes to making changes in body size, calories isn't the be all end all of the discussion.
Put fat people on a known caloric deficit in strictly controlled and maintained environment and they lose weight at virtually exactly the same rate as thermodynamics would suggest. The converse is true for caloric surplus in skinny people.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:27 PM   #49
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You guys are going to write off every word of this as "rationalization", but I'm going to post it any way. If I only convince one person, blahblahblah...

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if you want to write down a list of your weekly diet I can show you why you're a fatty.
No kidding. ANYBODY could do that. What I need you to do is to look at my list and tell me WHY I'm eating those sorts of foods, and that much of them.

Most of you seem to think I'm over-indulging myself. Two sandwiches for lunch? Why not stop at one? Better yet, why not have a salad?

YOU DON'T THINK I'VE TRIED THAT??? And by that I don't mean, "You don't think I tried that one day?", but rather I mean, "You don't think I've slavishly devoted large chunks of my life to that notion???" When I give up, walk away, and say, "That doesn't work for me," you think, "Why not? It works for the rest of us!" Well, obviously that's wrong--if it were correct, I'd be the only fat man on earth! It DOESN'T work for the rest of you, it only works for MOST of you.

Here's what happens when I have a salad for lunch, or some grapefruit for breakfast: I eat the whole thing, I look at the empty bowl, and I think to myself, "I am just as hungry right now as I was before I took a bite of that thing. In fact, I might even be hungrier, now that my palette has been tickled. It still feels like I haven't eaten a thing since my last meal."

I wish this wasn't the case. I wish it didn't feel that way. I wish I could put down my napkin and say, "Ah, that hit the spot!", but it doesn't. I go back to work after such a lunch, and I spend the rest of the day looking forward to dinner. It's all I can think about, the same way you would feel if you had skipped lunch.

You guys who eat healthy: do you feel that way after eating a meal? If you don't, then let me be the guy who introduces you to the idea that we don't all react to food the same way.

Other quick hits, most I've posted before:

--THE US ARMY COULDN'T GET ME BELOW 200 POUNDS! 16 months of extra PT, nonstop running (now my knees are in a shambles from trying to conform to what you guys expect, I've already advised my overweight son to NEVER take up jogging), every meal supervised by a sergeant, nutrition counseling, no fast food because I didn't have a car and lived in the barracks and ate in the chow hall. I'd go to bed so hungry that I'd cry, night after night after night. Being that hungry all the time is no way to live. I don't mean hungry like, "Boy, I could go for a Snickers bar right now," but rather I mean, "It feels like I haven't eaten in three days, it HURTS." Just about none of you would feel that hungry if you ate what I ate during that time in my life, but guess what? We're all not the same! We're all different heights, different colors, different personalities...do you know how ridiculous you guys sound when you insist that we should all have the same build and be the same weight? My God, stop listening to the party line, and open your eyes and look around you!

--I have three kids, and although they all eat the same foods and get equal amounts of exercise, one of them is fat. My parents had four kids, and one of them is fat. My Uncle Jimmy had three kids, and one of them is fat. My grandparents had two kids, and one of them is fat. Anyone see a pattern here? Did I descend from a long line of lazy people? Oh, and my mother's family is Italian. Think that matters any? Ever watch The Sopranos?

--I have a sister who's never weighed more than 99 pounds in her life. She eats nothing but crap food, pizza and cheeseburgers, but she's fine with tiny portions. She's not depriving herself of anything. Does this not demonstrate that we're all different? Or that there's some wackiness going on in this regard in my family tree?


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He is still a douchebag for taking pleasure in our fear of getting stuck next to some dude with fat rolls hanging over the armrest and coming into contact with us during a cross country flight.
I was joking about the "taking pleasure" part. I assure you, there's nothing pleasurable at all for guys like me when it's time to board an airplane. It keeps me from visiting my mother nearly as often as I should.

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It makes it worse that he's done it before being that just means he mentally chooses to be a fat. Look at JP OSU, that is ****ing impressive and proves that even the most obese can turn it around if they are mentally strong. He's just weak mentally and won't take responsibility for himself.
See the part above where I'd be so hungry that I'd cry myself to sleep, and tell me again about me being mentally weak?

I'm dying to ask you this: since I made the choice still feel hungry after eating more than you would eat in one sitting, do gay people choose to be gay? Is there a mental weakness there? Because we're all supposed to be the same, amirite?

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If I recall correctly from another thread, breakfast was an omelette, bacon, and toast w butter, while lunch was 2 sandwiches with cheese/mayo and chips. I can't remember dinner but it obviously doesn't matter.
Wow, nice call, that was from a few years ago. I'm pretty sure I had cut out the cheese by then, though. Now I'm older, and I'm down to one sandwich for lunch, but breakfast is still the same (it's not always bacon, I rotate in ham and sausage).

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Obese people have to be the most delusional people in the world. I love the logic flaw where the lady in the article just casually throws in fatasses with tall people and the disabled. Listen lady, Steven Hawking didn't choose to be in a wheelchair and that guy who's 6'6 didn't eat his way there, but you just couldn't turn down the holiday special at hometown buffet which is way your fat bulges over the armrest. LOLOL
This is the thinking that gets me steamed. I started jogging when I was ELEVEN. How many eleven-year-olds do you know who regularly jog? I had to cut weight for Pop Warner football at ELEVEN. I was a very active kid, we didn't have computers and video games yet, we went outside EVERY DAY, even in winter. There was no fast food in my life until I got my drivers license at 16, and was already getting mentioned in the high school yearbook as one of the fatties.

I promise I've put more time and energy into losing weight, lifetime, than you've ever put into anything, and I'm here to tell you guys, it's not a rationalization: We weren't all meant to weigh 174 pounds. Life is never as simple as that.

EDIT TO ADD: My new Pakistani roommate came into the kitchen recently and found me eating a tuna sandwich, glass of water, and chips. He told me, "You don't eat like I thought you'd eat." I guess one look at me has people looking for the stacks of empty pizza boxes...

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Old 06-19-2012, 07:39 PM   #50
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No kidding. ANYBODY could do that. What I need you to do is to look at my list and tell me WHY I'm eating those sorts of foods, and that much of them.
didnt read anything after this but LO****INGL

you are a fatass with no willpower who loves food too much. its simple

theres a lot of times when i really really feel like jerking it while im at work but guess what I dont
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:40 PM   #51
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Way to rationalise, fatty
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:42 PM   #52
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That's mean, guys.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:44 PM   #53
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I eat a ton of food. Healthy, unhealthy, solid, liquid, snacks, meals, beer, whiskey, you name it. I go though an ungodly amount of groceries each week. I still only weigh 200lbs (I'm 6'7 so that is like deathly skinny). I have to work out so that I don't lose weight. Seriously. If I don't lift or run for a couple-three weeks, I'll drop 10 pounds or more. So I believe there's a lot of variation in how much being fat is actually "your fault"
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:47 PM   #54
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you can ALWAYS exercise more even if you think you are going to drop dead if you arent stuffing your face every hour
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:51 PM   #55
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Clearly skinny people are scamming all of the veggies away from the fatties.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:52 PM   #56
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No kidding. ANYBODY could do that. What I need you to do is to look at my list and tell me WHY I'm eating those sorts of foods, and that much of them.
Because you are not mentally cut out to stop eating food that is bad for you. You don't even have to portion control like your sister. Stop eating bacon, ham, sausage if you actually want to lose weight. Eat fruits.

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I'm dying to ask you this: since I made the choice still feel hungry after eating more than you would eat in one sitting, do gay people choose to be gay? Is there a mental weakness there? Because we're all supposed to be the same, amirite?
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I promise I've put more time and energy into losing weight, lifetime, than you've ever put into anything, and I'm hear to tell you guys, it's not a rationalization: We weren't all meant to weigh 174 pounds. Life is never as simple as that.
I actually feel bad for you after reading that. Not because you have a physical disease but I sincerely believe you have a mental block. You have convinced yourself that it is all natural and the fact that YOU HAVE NO WILLPOWER TO STOP EATING ****TY FOOD is not what is responsible for you being over 300 pounds. I mean I don't really care if you are obese, you're just killing yourself. I feel bad that you have deluded yourself into thinking that you were predisposed to be 300+ pounds but hey, that's your choice. Think about it, if you were physically able to cut down 80 pounds or whatever it goes to show that you CAN do it. You just don't have the mental fortitude to keep eating right and working out and slip back into your old ways.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:01 PM   #57
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Also, do people eat more or less when they get stressed? I know when I'm stressed out, I shut down and have zero appetite. But you also hear about people who just reach for the chips and ice cream when they're feeling blue.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:03 PM   #58
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youtalkfunny: Gastric bypass (or other surgeries) may be something to consider. I imagine you have already thought about it, but just throwing it out there.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:06 PM   #59
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ell-oh-ell at medical advice in the "everyday scams" thread.

this story ends with someone scammed out of a kidney.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:07 PM   #60
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What?? I think you've got that flipped. Overweight people get more pleasure out of each bite, not less. I agree there is a large difference in satisfaction one would feel from eating. Overweight people get addicted to the endorphins received from food then become trapped in a loop of self defeat, diluting or covering their insecurities or pain with eating.
No, it's not backwards. Fat people need to eat a lot more to feel full, etc... They need to eat a lot more to get the same level of endorphins.
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