Why would that be nice? You should be happy you can eat so much and not gain that much (assuming you like food, and not liking food is lol).

I think it's both.

This thread has been a withering experience for me. It has ruined my whole week. I've got absolutely no stress in my life at this moment, except this thread, and I've been WAY out-of-character grumpy the past 2-3 days. Right now I'm pining for another 2+2 shutdown. I was so HAPPY during that time. Now I'm back to wondering where all the time goes.

Like I said earlier, I'm alone in a strange town, you guys are all I've got. I guess that's why I can't quit you.

Ok now I feel really bad I'm sorry ytf, I can somewhat relate to that feeling.

This whole thing is sad, really.

ytf - I made you an account on myfitnesspal.com. It's what I've been using the last 3 months.

They have an awesome iphone app that syncs with the site and let's you easily keep track of what you eat. They also have a massive searchable database making it super easy to find calorie info for what you've eaten.

Based on my guesses (apologies if i was way off either way but really have no idea what to guess) of 400 lbs and 5'10" and 35 yrs old they estimate you need to limit yourself to 2940 calories/day to lose 1 pound per week. You may be different but my personal experience is that their estimates are very spot on (for evidence see the graph from before).

If you're interested I'll pm you the password and instead of yelling back and forth we can turn this into a constructive thread. It's win win, if you follow their plan and lose weight you'll improve your life and life expectancy, if you don't lose weight we can all admit we were wrong and your body really does process food differently.

One thing that helps me when I'm dieting and I'm hungry is just slowly learning to enjoy the hungry feeling, to learn to think of it as losing weight right there right now.

YTF

Aside from a few flames, everyone seems pretty concerned about you. Get mental help if you can afford it, or take people up on their offers of help.

You seem like a decent enough guy that total strangers are willing to take the time to help you. Take them up on it.

goofball, your estimate seems off.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

5"10, 35 years, 400 pounds gives a BMR of 3209. Sedentary (little to no exercise) -> 3209 * 1.2 = 3850 daily maintenance, meaning 3350 to lose a pound a week (500 calorie deficit * 7 days = 3500 calories = a pound of fat). 2940 would be close to two pounds a week.

And yeah, let us know if you want this ytf, I'll be here encouraging like crazy, if so. I'm not a huge expert, but I know some basic enough things, as does a number of people here (weight loss, at its core, is simple (not to be confused with easy), so it's not like you need to be a huge expert anyway).

Myfitnesspal does all the math for you. I did input a general activity level of sedentary along with the other stuff.

My personal experience with other BMR calculators has been that they tend to overestimate and myfitnesspal has proven to be right on, that's all.

Fair enough, interesting how it's a pretty big difference between the two estimates.

He lost weight because he was ashamed of being fat, made a bet so he stood to gain money when he won, and said he would win the bet even if it killed him. Willpower - he has it, you don't. Look at the difference in attitudes between you and him, or any other fat guy who has lost weight.

Your last paragraph makes no sense. Of course you lose weight when you are a massive human and then start eating 1400-1700 calories a day. You know, a real diet. You losing weight is eating 1400 calories for breakfast. A couple bagels, peanut butter and bananas is close to that amount (depending on the amount of PB you use). Eat some egg whites, turkey sausage, drink black coffee if you don't want to be fat.

It's unbelievable how misinformed people are about losing weight. You'd be better off with the omelette and bacon then a few ****ing bagels my god

Also, bagels are the worst thing ever. Tons of calories, carbs and don't even taste good.

Fyp unfortunately

I think one of the most valuable things that 2p2 and reddit has taught me is that many people come under the guise of giving help and advice by beating on you relentlessly until you submit to their answer. It's a misguided approach in this case.

There are physical, psychological, and emotional reasons for obesity. Everyone wants to turn this into an issue about the physical reasons, and YTF seems to want to deflect it away from this via hand-waving, and then you guys are making fun of him for that hand-waving.

You need to respect that the psychological and emotional reasons for his attitude and perspective are not things you just slice through with one angry diatribe. Yes, he's wrong, but for ****'s sake, you seem to want to reduce this problem to a guy who eats too much. If that's the way that you model this problem, then you're missing out on all of the really crucial points that lend real insight into the causes of his problems.

Might as well start telling depressed people, "Hey, get off the couch!"

Yeah, that approach is utterly devoid of any sort of empathy or understanding. You try to cloak it as tough love, or some sort of weird pseudo-American libertarian work ethic and realism, but it's just ****ing lazy. It's lazy and dumb and wrong.

This thread is absolutely infuriating to me. YTF telling everyone we don't know what it feels like to be hungry.

K. I guess I didn't know what it felt like to be hungry when I was fat. I ordered flavored toothpicks in bulk off amazon and chewed them until my mouth was numb. Would mix in sugarless gum and chew it with the toothpicks while I watched Tyler Florence make a huge ****ing cheesesteak I couldn't eat on the Food Network. My stomach rumbled so loudly my family could hear it from other parts of the house. Occasionally I'd lie down grasping my stomach in hunger pains until they subsided enough for me to sleep. I'd get up and look in the fridge for food 20 times a night. The physical pain I was in from the hunger was overwhelming at times.

But no, clearly I have no idea what it's like to be hungry because my aunt and second cousin aren't fat. And I'm not you.

I understand it's all coping/rationalization/defense mechanism for failure and stuff but this is really grinding my gears

Ytf,

"When I'm trying to lose weight, breakfast is usually a couple of bagels, bananas, and peanut butter."

Just to clarify, this was not a joke, right?

Good post.

skunk,

Numerous posters have touched on those issues.

"Hey just snap out of it!"

"Smile!"

"Just cheer up bro!"

"There are people in third-world countries starving! You've got nothing to be sad about!'

"CHEER UP!!!"

"Just be happy!"

"You, no way, you?"

"CHEER UP AND BE HAPPY HEHHEHEHEHEHE!!!"

El D, oops. Didn't bother to read the middle parts of this thread, just the cluster**** beginning and end. A lot of this thread reminded me of our boy JWhitt.

TTI, RELAX MAN, RELAX. RELAX DUDE. JUST CHILL. RELAX.

nn99, obviously he eats way too much. I think hanging around the Health & Fitness forum for so long has made me forget that most people don't understand energy balance.

yeah, well different people do have different metabolisms even after controlling for weight/height/age. Plus who knows how accurate/variable the 1.2x multipler.

At the end of the day no estimate is guranteed accurate, he just needs data. After not very much time measuring calories consumed and weight lost anyone can back into how many maintenance calories they're burning.

Not the same. YTF's problem is a physical problem, but currently he is making it a mental problem by thinking he is eating correctly, or that he has no chance of losing any weight whatsoever.

For depression, it's a mental problem. So telling someone to get off the couch would be mental and thus would have no effect.

YTF has to stop thinking he can't lose weight if he wants to lose weight. He can tackle the physical barriers as they come.

This post is serious?

He's not making it a mental problem. It's entirely a mental problem that plays itself out in physical ways. Alcoholics can fix themselves by not drinking alcohol, but that lends no real insight into alcoholism, what causes it, and what the most effective rehabilitation is. The same way that he can't imagine eating small amounts of food is not that different from the way a smoker can't imagine life without a post-meal cigarette.