25lbs gained in a month is around 3000 calorie a day surplus, he found a way to burn -1500 calories/day staying alive

He might have been dehydrated to the point of near death at the beginning of the month, then drank 2 gallons of water at the end. It's possible.

yeota,

You were probably eating hundreds of calories per day in nuts alone.

Use some common sense here. Do you think you can gain weight without consuming anything? No?

OK, then, let's try this next exercise.

Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories
Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories

Where did the 25 lbs come from?

I used to work in the cafeteria at a university in Virginia. One day this sorta fat guy came in wearing a Leon Lett jersey. Now, I'm a big Giants fan, so I decided to mess around with this guy (or as we used to call it back in those days, "pull an everyday scam"). He ordered a chicken salad with balsamic vinegar on the side, but I replaced the chicken with foie gras and the balsamic vinegar with bacon grease. Apparently the guy didn't realize, because he came back every day for the next month and ordered the same thing.

gallon of water is 8.3lb so I guess he found a way to bloat on 3gallons of water

I've seen this before, especially with IV fluids. My wife did it with her pregnancies pretty easily. She went in weight X with the baby. Has a 10lbs baby, plus placenta weight and afterbirth and blood loss. Has tons of IV bags. Gets home, weighs X+5lbs. Next day, pisses a lot, weighs X-5 lbs. After a week, weighs X-20lbs. After 2 weeks weighs X-30 lbs. Baby eats some to take away calories more, but losing 10lbs in a single night seems like it was a lot water weight. Plus she was super swollen and it was obvious it was all over (legs and feet especially).

Bloating 3 gallons of water in some situations is not too bad, especially if your first measurement is dehydrated. Gaining 25lbs in water weight is possible if you are trying to do that.

yeota - for the record I'm 5'9" and limiting myself to <1600 calories a day and it is not a lot of food and I'm tired so there's no effing way you were eating 1200 calories and doing all that stuff as a heavy person at 6'. No. Way. You would have to simultaneously have a ridiculously slow metabolism to only need that many calories and a ridiculously high metabolism to have the energy to do all that stuff. See the problem?

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There's one thing as a larger male that can make this possible. It's incredibly easy to eat a low amount of calories in most days, then a huge amount on another day to make up for it. I can very easily eat 1 meal a day (and very easily have that meal be < 1200 calories) and not be *that* badly affected. But it's also incredibly easy to splurge and eat 8000 calories in a day too.

I could take a prop bet that I could eat < 1200 calories a day 6 days a week and still gain weight over the course of a month and do a few physical things like play basketball once a week or mow the lawn in the heat or whatever.

TC,

Right. He was likely having a few thousand calories of wings, pizza, and beer on football days in addition to the thousands of calories of almonds during the week.

(Mods: Probably should move all the yeota delusional caloric intake stuff out of here to a new thread)

If he dropped that much weight that quickly, I don't see how it's hard to believe that his body grabbed onto whatever he started giving it and ballooned up once he started eating again.

Plenty of people are active on 1200 calories a day. Just because one person is having a certain reaction to 1600 doesn't mean that someone else will have as much difficulty.

I went without food for seven days when I was a teenager then gained 9 pounds (on a 110 lb frame) over the next 5 days. Not even eating like an animal, either; I couldn't stomach much food. I regularly put on more than a pound a day after going without enough food for a while. Maybe his claim was exaggerated but it doesn't seem to be impossible to me.

What?? I think you've got that flipped. Overweight people get more pleasure out of each bite, not less. I agree there is a large difference in satisfaction one would feel from eating. Overweight people get addicted to the endorphins received from food then become trapped in a loop of self defeat, diluting or covering their insecurities or pain with eating.

your way does not make it possible to eat 1600 calories a day for a month and be that active. your way requires you to eat more than 1600 calories at some point during that month. and if he gained 25lbs in a month - or approximately 87,500 calories over surplus - that's a lot of splurge days.

I've gained 8lbs over night, then lost it a week later (guess which week?). Water weight is fun stuff.

Less talk about petty theft and more berating of fatties in flight-situations and their lack of logic and/or knowledge of physics regarding weight loss imo!

AhHAhHAHAHAHAHA You have me laughing out loud on a plane right now (coincidentally) and people are looking at me funny (side note: no fatty sitting next to me!!).

The only way this can be even close to plausible is if you were drinking a ton of booze. You need to consume AN EXCESS of 3500 calories a day to gain a pound a day:http://www.livestrong.com/article/29...ain-one-pound/

So unless you were extremely water dehydrated it is impossible for you to have gained 25 pounds and even if you did it is impossible to do so at 1600 calories a day seeing as though your body burns like 1000 just living.

New Kid,

I gained two lbs after working out last night before I even ate anything!

I don't know if I've ever seen this fully explained before (what cycle your body operates on), but I would guess this isn't true from personal experience. I once went on a diet with a cheat day, and during that cheat day, I'm sure I ate enough excess calories (ordering two large blizzards in between meals), where if you averaged out the week I would have not been "dieting" at all, but still maintained my weightloss. Maybe i wasn't fully digesting all of the calories I was eating during the splurge. I would spend a considerable amount of time on the toilet the next day.

I am not sold on the pure math problem model that a lot of this forum seems to operate on when it comes to weightloss and weight gain. From my experience, I think most people have a base weight their body wants to be at and you have to work hard to change it. I've worked out a decent percentage of my life and have went from various stages of bulky to lean, to extremely lean, etc, mostly on purpose. From what I can tell, whether bulking or leaning out, once you maintain a weight for a few months, your body "tries" to stay about that weight. How it does so (whether through metabolism, hormones, insulin levels, or whatever), I don't think is simply explained.

There are many cases of people losing a lot of weight and gaining a decent amount back eating less than a math problem would say is necessary to do so. Ask anyone that has been in an accident where they ended up losing a lot of weight in a short period of time. Lost muscle mass seems to come back very quickly and easily, much more so than if you were just a skinny kid trying to gain size. In those cases the muscle cells are already there, just depleted, and with the skinny kid, he has to add cells which is a lot harder to do. Fat cells are likely similar.

I just don't think bodies and weight are a simple calculation. Although I'm not letting fatties off the hook when it comes to claiming to being born fat. I just think when it comes to making changes in body size, calories isn't the be all end all of the discussion.

In doing my research to find Airlines Fat People Flying Policies I found this article online that I thought was hilarious: http://www.xojane.com/relationships/...nes-fat-people

Obese people have to be the most delusional people in the world. I love the logic flaw where the lady in the article just casually throws in fatasses with tall people and the disabled. Listen lady, Steven Hawking didn't choose to be in a wheelchair and that guy who's 6'6 didn't eat his way there, but you just couldn't turn down the holiday special at hometown buffet which is way your fat bulges over the armrest. LOLOL

How is this even possible? Plz give me a rundown on what a 8000 calorie splurge day consists of. Not saying it's impossible but for most humans I would say it would not be "incredibly easy."

I don't understnd what you mean by "guess which week?", but I'm not saying it was purely fat weight gain. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why (as someone has already argued above) it is not possible that this guy just gained a lot of weight in water and some in fat.

I didn't say anything about the weight gain having nothing to do with water. I don't believe Yeota did either.

3five,

There are certainly numerous valid points in your post. And calories definitely have different impact in different situations and people.

But none of that makes the claim of a 215lb guy eating ~1700 cals/day and gaining almost a lb a day any less absurd.

I liked these lines: They display an utterly astounding lack of personal responsibility IMO. Comments on that site are crazy as well, it's like bizarro OOT.

FWIW, I always thought I was the skinny guy that could eat whatever he wanted and not gain weight, but this thread has let me know that my life experiences are false (j/k I really learned that I just don't eat that much).

Put fat people on a known caloric deficit in strictly controlled and maintained environment and they lose weight at virtually exactly the same rate as thermodynamics would suggest. The converse is true for caloric surplus in skinny people.

You guys are going to write off every word of this as "rationalization", but I'm going to post it any way. If I only convince one person, blahblahblah...

No kidding. ANYBODY could do that. What I need you to do is to look at my list and tell me WHY I'm eating those sorts of foods, and that much of them.

Most of you seem to think I'm over-indulging myself. Two sandwiches for lunch? Why not stop at one? Better yet, why not have a salad?

YOU DON'T THINK I'VE TRIED THAT??? And by that I don't mean, "You don't think I tried that one day?", but rather I mean, "You don't think I've slavishly devoted large chunks of my life to that notion???" When I give up, walk away, and say, "That doesn't work for me," you think, "Why not? It works for the rest of us!" Well, obviously that's wrong--if it were correct, I'd be the only fat man on earth! It DOESN'T work for the rest of you, it only works for MOST of you.

Here's what happens when I have a salad for lunch, or some grapefruit for breakfast: I eat the whole thing, I look at the empty bowl, and I think to myself, "I am just as hungry right now as I was before I took a bite of that thing. In fact, I might even be hungrier, now that my palette has been tickled. It still feels like I haven't eaten a thing since my last meal."

I wish this wasn't the case. I wish it didn't feel that way. I wish I could put down my napkin and say, "Ah, that hit the spot!", but it doesn't. I go back to work after such a lunch, and I spend the rest of the day looking forward to dinner. It's all I can think about, the same way you would feel if you had skipped lunch.

You guys who eat healthy: do you feel that way after eating a meal? If you don't, then let me be the guy who introduces you to the idea that we don't all react to food the same way.

Other quick hits, most I've posted before:

--THE US ARMY COULDN'T GET ME BELOW 200 POUNDS! 16 months of extra PT, nonstop running (now my knees are in a shambles from trying to conform to what you guys expect, I've already advised my overweight son to NEVER take up jogging), every meal supervised by a sergeant, nutrition counseling, no fast food because I didn't have a car and lived in the barracks and ate in the chow hall. I'd go to bed so hungry that I'd cry, night after night after night. Being that hungry all the time is no way to live. I don't mean hungry like, "Boy, I could go for a Snickers bar right now," but rather I mean, "It feels like I haven't eaten in three days, it HURTS." Just about none of you would feel that hungry if you ate what I ate during that time in my life, but guess what? We're all not the same! We're all different heights, different colors, different personalities...do you know how ridiculous you guys sound when you insist that we should all have the same build and be the same weight? My God, stop listening to the party line, and open your eyes and look around you!

--I have three kids, and although they all eat the same foods and get equal amounts of exercise, one of them is fat. My parents had four kids, and one of them is fat. My Uncle Jimmy had three kids, and one of them is fat. My grandparents had two kids, and one of them is fat. Anyone see a pattern here? Did I descend from a long line of lazy people? Oh, and my mother's family is Italian. Think that matters any? Ever watch The Sopranos?

--I have a sister who's never weighed more than 99 pounds in her life. She eats nothing but crap food, pizza and cheeseburgers, but she's fine with tiny portions. She's not depriving herself of anything. Does this not demonstrate that we're all different? Or that there's some wackiness going on in this regard in my family tree?


I was joking about the "taking pleasure" part. I assure you, there's nothing pleasurable at all for guys like me when it's time to board an airplane. It keeps me from visiting my mother nearly as often as I should.

See the part above where I'd be so hungry that I'd cry myself to sleep, and tell me again about me being mentally weak?

I'm dying to ask you this: since I made the choice still feel hungry after eating more than you would eat in one sitting, do gay people choose to be gay? Is there a mental weakness there? Because we're all supposed to be the same, amirite?

Wow, nice call, that was from a few years ago. I'm pretty sure I had cut out the cheese by then, though. Now I'm older, and I'm down to one sandwich for lunch, but breakfast is still the same (it's not always bacon, I rotate in ham and sausage).

This is the thinking that gets me steamed. I started jogging when I was ELEVEN. How many eleven-year-olds do you know who regularly jog? I had to cut weight for Pop Warner football at ELEVEN. I was a very active kid, we didn't have computers and video games yet, we went outside EVERY DAY, even in winter. There was no fast food in my life until I got my drivers license at 16, and was already getting mentioned in the high school yearbook as one of the fatties.

I promise I've put more time and energy into losing weight, lifetime, than you've ever put into anything, and I'm here to tell you guys, it's not a rationalization: We weren't all meant to weigh 174 pounds. Life is never as simple as that.

EDIT TO ADD: My new Pakistani roommate came into the kitchen recently and found me eating a tuna sandwich, glass of water, and chips. He told me, "You don't eat like I thought you'd eat." I guess one look at me has people looking for the stacks of empty pizza boxes...

didnt read anything after this but LO****INGL

you are a fatass with no willpower who loves food too much. its simple

theres a lot of times when i really really feel like jerking it while im at work but guess what I dont