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06-19-2012 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyLinFan
I think the duration argument (3 vs. 60) is a bit silly when taking into account Internet distribution and 24/7 news coverage across a zillion global outlets.

I would wager that Obama's image in video,print,online/any medium has been replicated and distributed far more times than the Queens over the past 60 years.

Geezus Obama internet memes alone probably eclipse the totality of the Queens image distribution over the past 60 years.

No way. Absolutely not.

"Her face is the most reproduced image of any human being since Jesus Christ."

She's been a meme since before memes existed.
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06-19-2012 , 07:41 PM
Tough call, good question. Can someone post some Google analytics in this debate?
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06-19-2012 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference
No way. Absolutely not.

"Her face is the most reproduced image of any human being since Jesus Christ."

She's been a meme since before memes existed.
That article was printed in 2006.

In the 6 years since then, I'm sure you're aware, but all sorts of media distribution/replication "records" have been broken because of the insane, massive explosion of data/media generation, sharing and distribution online and other channels.
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06-19-2012 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference
No way. Absolutely not.

"Her face is the most reproduced image of any human being since Jesus Christ."

She's been a meme since before memes existed.
This. You maybe had me convinced Al until you went down the dead end of saying Obama's face has been published more. I bet the Queen's face on bills and coinage alone has been published more times than Obama's face in every medium.

Last edited by diddy!; 06-19-2012 at 07:46 PM. Reason: added coinage as a safety net
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06-19-2012 , 07:46 PM
I think Obama and Bush would be really close, I dont think this Pope is as high up there as it's been mentioned by some.

Madonna could be close as well
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06-19-2012 , 07:48 PM
Bin Laden in his prime.
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06-19-2012 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by diddyeinstein
This. You maybe had me convinced Al until you went down the dead end of saying Obama's face has been published more. I bet the Queen's face on bills and coinage alone has been published more times than Obama's face in every medium.
I'd guess that some insanely high percentage of the global Interent-enabled and TV household population has seen Obama's image multiple times over the past 4 years, and can recognize him. I would say the same is not true for the Queen.

Just use that as a starting point, I don't think that is a crazy assumption. Roll the math out from there. It's Obama in a walk.
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06-19-2012 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Assuming ignorance is a two way street is going to be a bad idea.
Why? If anything, I would have thought those in the West have more access to the media.

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But whatever, on that list the second country is India who had The Queen as their Queen until 1950 and she is still a well recognised figure in that country as they are still part of the commonwealth.
The Queen wasn't Queen until 1952. She's not Head of State of India, unlike other Commonwealth countries like Australia and Canada, so it's not like she's on the banknotes.
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06-19-2012 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyLinFan
That article was printed in 2006.

In the 7 years since then, I'm sure you're aware, but all sorts of media distribution/replication "records" have been broken because of the insane, massive explosion of data/media generation, sharing and distribution online and other channels.
This only matters if you believe that in the last seven years this data explosion can only go to improve the recognizability of Obama but definitely not the Queen. My position is that anyone who knows him knows her. That is a very large number.

The number of people who know her but not him is larger still. Just think of the fact that her portrait hangs in schools throughout the Commonwealth and our relationship to England is taught from childhood, while Obama might never be even mentioned in other countries' history texts. The Queen wins easily on the strength of schoolchildren alone.
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06-19-2012 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sir S A Lot
I think Obama and Bush would be really close, I dont think this Pope is as high up there as it's been mentioned by some.

Madonna could be close as well
+1

As for the pope I agree, he looks like half the old guys in the world!
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06-19-2012 , 08:00 PM
There are dirt farmers in Rhodesia that will never see the internet in their life, but the money under their straw mattress probably still has the Queen of England on it.
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06-19-2012 , 08:00 PM
Bush was the focus of huge global news 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq for 7 years. Barack Obama is most famous worldwide because he is black.
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06-19-2012 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference
This only matters if you believe that in the last seven years this data explosion can only go to improve the recognizability of Obama but definitely not the Queen. My position is that anyone who knows him knows her. That is a very large number.

The number of people who know her but not him is larger still. Just think of the fact that her portrait hangs in schools throughout the Commonwealth and our relationship to England is taught from childhood, while Obama might never be even mentioned in other countries' history texts. The Queen wins easily on the strength of schoolchildren alone.
I think you have a very "Commonwealth-centric" POV, and while you mistake mine for being overly Ameri-tard'ish, it's not. Hey, I could be off, but I've traveled enough through "Commonwealth" countries to know that they do not live and die by "The Queen" on any level. So my sense is you're overstating your point.

(The most egregious example is India - I assume you are counting that as a member of the Commonwealth? If so, I find your assertion that there is some strong connection between India and The Queen to be sort of lol having traveled through India recently.)

It would actually be interesting to see some actual numbers here.
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06-19-2012 , 08:06 PM
This really comes down to who is best known by Asians. Do India and China know Obama or Elizabeth better?

My guess is Diana taurasi.
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06-19-2012 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Clare Quilty
This really comes down to who is best known by Asians. Do India and China know Obama or Elizabeth better?

My guess is Diana taurasi.
A lot of Asians really dislike black people. So Obama may not get too much news time over there.
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06-19-2012 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
Why? If anything, I would have thought those in the West have more access to the media.



The Queen wasn't Queen until 1952. She's not Head of State of India, unlike other Commonwealth countries like Australia and Canada, so it's not like she's on the banknotes.
The west is much more western centric in their coverage of world leaders for various reasons.

Basically the Chinese and Indian leaders have power in a very small domain, more or less their own backyards, but Obama has power over the entire planet as the only leader of a world superpower. The most powerful man in the world is always more famous than the 25th most powerful man in the world. If I had any polls to hand it would completely crush the point.

As for reigns, ha, cocked that up. But yeah, anyone in India's schools in a history class will be learning about the Queen. The also hear about her fairly often whenever India plays England at Cricket etc. Despite there not being official ties beyond being in the commonwealth of nations India is very close to Britain due to that link (for better or worse).

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06-19-2012 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Clare Quilty
This really comes down to who is best known by Asians. Do India and China know Obama or Elizabeth better?
Hm - this is probably not a bad way to look at it. I mean this is clearly Obama in a walk.
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06-19-2012 , 08:13 PM
Dead- Mao Zedong
Alive- Yao Ming (he's known in Asia and the western world)
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06-19-2012 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyLinFan
I think you have a very "Commonwealth-centric" POV, and while you mistake mine for being overly Ameri-tard'ish, it's not. Hey, I could be off, but I've traveled enough through "Commonwealth" countries to know that they do not live and die by "The Queen" on any level. So my sense is you're overstating your point.

(The most egregious example is India - I assume you are counting that as a member of the Commonwealth? If so, I find your assertion that there is some strong connection between India and The Queen to be sort of lol having traveled through India recently.)

It would actually be interesting to see some actual numbers here.
India is a member of the commonwealth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_...lth_of_Nations

Edit, and your point is easily flipped where Indians arent going to be living and dying by Obama on any level either. This isnt a likeability contest.
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06-19-2012 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyLinFan
I'd guess that some insanely high percentage of the global Interent-enabled and TV household population has seen Obama's image multiple times over the past 4 years, and can recognize him. I would say the same is not true for the Queen.

Just use that as a starting point, I don't think that is a crazy assumption. Roll the math out from there. It's Obama in a walk.
Yea, I think Obama might be more recognizable then the Queen world-wide, I was talking solely about image reproduction. I think the Queen probably wins that in a landslide. Were you talking about the same thing with the Obama in the walk comment, or was that a reference to the actual point of this thread (i.e. who is most well-known)?
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06-19-2012 , 08:14 PM
Michael Jordan and Paul McCartney have to be up there too.
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06-19-2012 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyLinFan
I think you have a very "Commonwealth-centric" POV, and while you mistake mine for being overly Ameri-tard'ish, it's not. Hey, I could be off, but I've traveled enough through "Commonwealth" countries to know that they do not live and die by "The Queen" on any level. So my sense is you're overstating your point.

It would actually be interesting to see some actual numbers here.
Commonwealth-centrism speaks for a third of the world's population, currently. And that's just the people who live "under" her, does not include you guys who know of her. My point is that the history of much of the world is de facto a history of England -- there is no Indian alive who would be aware of their independence and yet be ignorant of what they declared independence from or who's in charge there. Similarly I think it is somewhat reasonable to suppose that she was a well-known figure in China until 1997.


Really, is there anywhere on Earth besides the United States where we might think the people would know Obama but not the Queen? Goddammit, Americans. This is why nobody likes you.

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06-19-2012 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by txdome
Bush was the focus of huge global news 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq for 7 years. Barack Obama is most famous worldwide because he is black.
lets not forget that OTHER countries had thousands of protesters against bush being.. well bush I guess
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06-19-2012 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
India is a member of the commonwealth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_...lth_of_Nations
Yeah, I know that - which is why I said I assumed she was including it as part of the Commonwealth.

India has its own President. Its own government. Its own language. Its own currency. And has for 6 decades.

The idea that the figurehead over a loose grouping of "Commonwealth" nations means that the figurehead is incredibly famous in all Commonwealth nations is a bit disingenuous.
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06-19-2012 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference
Commonwealth-centrism speaks for a third of the world's population, currently. And that's just the people who live "under" her, does not include you guys who know of her. My point is that the history of much of the world is de facto a history of England -- there is no Indian alive who would be aware of their independence and yet be ignorant of what they declared independence from or who's in charge there. Similarly I think it is somewhat reasonable to suppose that she was a well-known figure in China until 1997.
Wow - HK is a small number relative to China's overall population... you're really stretching PR!
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