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06-08-2012, 06:37 PM
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#181
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old hand
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicago
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
anyone saying D or arguing scenarios that supposedly show that other answers are illogical are just tilting the absolute **** out of me, i cannot fathom how on a poker forum people don't grasp the concept of likelihood based on limited information
thank god there were actually a few intelligent posts in here (d10 and dudd that i remember offhand) that helped to quell my rage
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06-08-2012, 06:40 PM
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#182
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Unexpected
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 53,067
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
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Originally Posted by WVUskinsfan
John and Mary most likely:
A)Forbade the drinking of alcohol
B)Discouraged the drinking of alcohol
C)Encouraged the drinking of alcohol
D)Can't tell
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This question is asking in absolute terms rather than in relative terms like the other question does. This means that even with no information at all about the people in the story, we can still choose an answer which is not D based on what is most likely of the population as a whole. From the character names we can conclude that the family very likely lives in an English-speaking country. Only a minority of people in these countries forbid the drinking of alcohol and the story gives us no reason to think this family is an exception, so we can eliminate that as the correct answer. Whether to choose B or C is complicated by the fact that the descriptions aren't very clear. But I think that a majority of people in English-speaking countries would be considered to encourage the drinking of alcohol, and no information in the story says otherwise, so I believe that the correct answer is C.
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06-08-2012, 06:42 PM
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#183
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Unexpected
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 53,067
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
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Originally Posted by DrunkIrish05
anyone saying D or arguing scenarios that supposedly show that other answers are illogical are just tilting the absolute **** out of me, i cannot fathom how on a poker forum people don't grasp the concept of likelihood based on limited information
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yeah this is really eye-opening
I'm just putting them on ignore and hoping that they play on Stars
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06-08-2012, 06:43 PM
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#184
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: My schtick is mesozoic
Posts: 12,899
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
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Originally Posted by DrunkIrish05
anyone saying D or arguing scenarios that supposedly show that other answers are illogical are just tilting the absolute **** out of me, i cannot fathom how on a poker forum people don't grasp the concept of likelihood based on limited information
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You are heads up in a poker hand. You witness your opponent make some bets and react to your limps/bets/raises, what-have-you.
What is most likely?
A) He has T9 suited
B) He has 88
C) He has AQ off
D) Not enough information
The answer is D even here. But yeah you are pressed to guess as folding every hand declaring "Man I have no idea what you have buddy, I guess I'll just fold" isn't a good strategy. But if you could win money by not having to guess his hand then that would be great. Since D is an option, you don't have to make up some nonsensical guess. Just pick D.
Again, how do people not get that if D wasn't an option we would all be able to sell ourselves on a reason to pick from A, B, or C? Selling yourself on a reason to pick from A, B, or C when D is an option doesn't make you smart or creative.
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06-08-2012, 06:45 PM
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#185
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 285
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Originally Posted by soah
yeah this is really eye-opening
I'm just putting them on ignore and hoping that they play on Stars
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Lol. I chose DD, and I've been a professional poker player for ~10 years.
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06-08-2012, 06:49 PM
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#186
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: My schtick is mesozoic
Posts: 12,899
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
gitfiddle, you aren't helping our cause. Go away.
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06-08-2012, 06:51 PM
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#187
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 285
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
gitfiddle, you aren't helping our cause. Go away.
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Huh? It's the truth.
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06-08-2012, 06:56 PM
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#188
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Lost In Translation
Posts: 25,738
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
This is basically everything wrong with the American business place. People don't hire smart people who are a threat to their position, they hire people who smile a lot and are like "Hey Susan, how was your weekend?" and aren't smart enough to challenge authority. Congratulations on thinking like this.
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I don't care if I like someone. There are two types of people, people that make everyone else's job easier and people that make everyone else's job harder. My goal was always to hire the first type of people, and judging purely by posts in this thread, some posters are the second type.
Also there is a distinction between "not hiring smart people" and "hiring smart people that don't have their ego tied up in proving how smart they are all the time, to the detriment of the job and their coworkers' sanity."
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06-08-2012, 06:57 PM
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#189
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self-banned
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: pooping my big boy pants
Posts: 19,112
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
Dd
I'd be really disappointed to go through a series of interviews to end it all with this.
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06-08-2012, 07:03 PM
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#190
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 59
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
This has been brought up a little bit before before the answer sets are very different for the two questions.
A)Forbade the drinking of alcohol
What percentage of people in the US fall into this category? Maybe 3%?
B)Discouraged the drinking of alcohol
Pretty hard to say what "discourage" means. Even if someone doesn't drink themselves they will very rarely actively discourage someone else from drinking. Maybe recovering alcoholics? 5%
C)Encouraged the drinking of alcohol
The only people I know who encourage drinking are employees of bars, restaurants, breweries, wineries and distilleries. 5%?
So the answers only encompass ~10% of the total population as a wild guess (A is a subset of B). This is easily D. A is nonsensical since B will always be more likely than A.
Second question:
A)Read more than others
50% read more than others.
B)Read as much as others
Everyone reads different amounts. 0%
C)Read less than others
50% read less than others.
Buying a book is probably enough to tip A from a coin flip to "most likely". Again there is a nonsensical answer B, which will never be correct.
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06-08-2012, 07:04 PM
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#191
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,361
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
The question begins with "what is most likely?" How much information do you need to start making inferences? That's what you're being asked to do.
Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
You are heads up in a poker hand. You witness your opponent make some bets and react to your limps/bets/raises, what-have-you.
What is most likely?
A) He has T9 suited
B) He has 88
C) He has AQ off
D) Not enough information
The answer is D even here.
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I would argue that D here is not only a cop-out but incorrect. If you knew nothing more about poker than the cards that make up a standard deck, you should arrive at C as the answer purely based on the combinations available.
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06-08-2012, 07:13 PM
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#192
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: I fly better than I drive
Posts: 4,953
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
but it asks MOST LIKELY.
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
but it asks MOST LIKELY.
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
but it asks MOST LIKELY.
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
but it asks MOST LIKELY.
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
but it asks MOST LIKELY.
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
but it asks MOST LIKELY.
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QFWTFwhyisitsohardtounderstandthis
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06-08-2012, 07:25 PM
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#193
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: I fly better than I drive
Posts: 4,953
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
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Originally Posted by Ballyhoo
This has been brought up a little bit before before the answer sets are very different for the two questions.
A)Forbade the drinking of alcohol
What percentage of people in the US fall into this category? Maybe 3%?
B)Discouraged the drinking of alcohol
Pretty hard to say what "discourage" means. Even if someone doesn't drink themselves they will very rarely actively discourage someone else from drinking. Maybe recovering alcoholics? 5%
C)Encouraged the drinking of alcohol
The only people I know who encourage drinking are employees of bars, restaurants, breweries, wineries and distilleries. 5%?
So the answers only encompass ~10% of the total population as a wild guess (A is a subset of B). This is easily D. A is nonsensical since B will always be more likely than A.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by d10
It's deceiving because one answer is maybe only a percentage or so more likely than another, and that may encourage you to pick D, but that small percentage makes option B several times more likely.
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I might buy your D answer if you think both B and C are equally likely and > A, but considering you said it was easily D I'm wondering if you still pick D if you were able to determine one option as 1% more likely? If so I disagree with that.
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06-08-2012, 07:30 PM
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#194
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: My schtick is mesozoic
Posts: 12,899
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
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Originally Posted by Gonso
I would argue that D here is not only a cop-out but incorrect. If you knew nothing more about poker than the cards that make up a standard deck, you should arrive at C as the answer purely based on the combinations available.
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Heh alright I didn't really put any thought into the options but yeah you are right.
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06-08-2012, 07:42 PM
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#195
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 243
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Re: What are your answers to these two logic/reasoning/personality question
B)Discouraged the drinking of alcohol
Because hes not going to say no to his boss, but at the same time they must not drink since they did not get any for themselves while they were already out. also since his boss even asked in the first place instead of getting it himself we are to assume where they are coming from had nice liquor?
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C)Read less than others
Definitely not A for the same reason as the first question, because if they were at a bookstore why would they only get one book let alone an illustrated book. I guess could be B but I am not sure how often the average person reads, but at the same time I feel like they would have grabbed a few books they were interested in reading in the future if they were fairly moderate readers, leading me to believe they arent
Edit: also I feel like an illustrated book bought on vacation would most likely be a tourist guide book with pictures of what they saw, as a way to remember their trip, people who dont read very often would still get this
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