LOL

In all fairness, vegan bacon does suck imo.

Do you really think this is clever? If someone says "I am not going to eat meat unless my survival depends on it because I have to kill an animal and they suffer pain", that's fine. It's a personal decision. Saying you're not going to eat meat and appealing to (so-called) 'ethics' is ******ed, unless you admit before hand that the 'ethics' you refer to are simply a personal code.

Why (or how) are you differentiating ethics from (so-called) 'ethics'?

When people use the term 'ethics' I think they want to appeal to some objective standard....which scientifically doesn't exist.

Sure it does; you just have to define what the objective standard is. In this case, it's the (presumably unwanted) suffering, which is the same metric by which I believe torturing a human is wrong.

The non-vegetarians have definitely improved their position here.

The trap has been sprung.

Rippin, do you get upset if someone claims they don't believe in killing people for ethical reasons because this means they think it would be unethical to kill someone who's about to push a button to launch a series of nuclear missles at the US eastern seabord and murder millions. Do you point out that their ethical code means they think it's ethical to allow a terrorist to nuke the eastern US?

If someone says they think it's unethical to cheat in poker, do you say: What if the only way to prevent Kim Jong-un from winning a supply of nuclear weapons capable of wiping out all of the US in a poker game was to cheat him? Do you think people who say it's unethical to cheat in poker are saying they are ethically okay with North Korea wiping the US off the face of the earth?

Yeah, Rippin is a great advocate for the non-vegetarians. They can't lose now.

so it took the third post before this thread turned total tard

I was vegan for 9 months - and all the vegans I met ate terribly

I dunno how you can classify mcdonalds fries as vegan, but lol

Haha. You don't understand.

Vegans thread,

How do you justify sucking so much **** as vegan?

So you're never actually going to provide anything other than an appeal to nature fallacy. Nice.

EDIT: I have a feeling that after a long marry-go-round of you not actually explaining anything (while continually asserting that I don't understand your position) you're going to eventually resort back to your appeal to nature fallacy while channeling your inner Jason Segel.

Ethics and morals are a human construct and, as such, are subject to a wide variety of interpretation/personal preferences as to what constitutes 'good' and 'bad'.

Who decides what is morally 'good' and/or ethically 'bad'?

Never mind. It is clearly the vegetarians. Whoops! I mean vegans.

Ummmm... no, I guess it's pretty obvious it's the fruitarians. D'oh.



The only clear thing is that ethics and morals are used to exert control over others... usually with a smug sense of superiority and self-righteousness.

How else they gonna get their protein?

Just to be perfectly clear, you're arguing nihilism here, right?

I thought gregorio said he's been veg for 15 years? How come he acts like he's been veg for 15 months?

I imagine vegetarian chili would be pretty good if you stuck to the principles of chili and just omitted the meat. The addition of beef provides not only tasty chunks of meat, but permeates the entire dish with a beef flavor. Adding fake meat doesn't accomplish either of those things, and you've already got plenty of protein from the beans.

How do you have a chili recipe with no ACTUAL PEPPERS? There are differences of opinion as to whether or not you should add beans, but every chili recipe worth its salt calls for real peppers. You will get way more flavor if you use chili peppers instead of chili powder. Add in some bell peppers and whatever assorted hot peppers (jalapeno, habanero, etc) and you got yourself a stew, baby!

Also, sauteeing or roasting the various veg is much preferred to just dumping them in the pot, as you get more flavor (Maillard reaction, etc).

Specifically, what do you not understand?

You could, you know, just answer the question.

LOL. Why so obtuse?

Why is getting a yes/no answer out of you so goddamn difficult?

The answer has been given. For whatever reason, you don't want to accept it. That's okay. I understand that you do not understand.

It's like pulling ****ing teeth. I was trying to see if you were displaying some level of cognitive dissonance in your moral views, or if you were actually a nihilist (or whatever). In other words, I was trying to get you to flesh out a more complete overview of your moral philosophy, or lack there of. However, I now see that you're not interested in an honest discourse and would rather throw out thinly veiled insults. And, well, I would rather not waste my time on you.

Cheers.