This thread is an amazing testament to peoples' ignorance about food poisoning.

"No one need fear veganism leading to a barren world devoid of animals. Veganism would bring about the end of animal exploitation, not the end of animals. The breeding of ill-shaped, disease-ridden creatures by the million would of course end. The natural evolution of a species does not depend upon its existence in huge numbers, and it cannot be achieved so long as animals are the chattels of commerce. The requirement is to enable the animal to regain its true place in nature, and this veganism would permit. The great economy in the use of land not required for producing animal foods would make it possible to set aside sanctuaries where animals could lead natural lives, thereby soon regaining health. Children would not be deprived of the valuable association with animals. They would be introduced to wild life, and, within certain limitations, they could keep pets. Those who are concerned that man should not fail in his self-assumed duty of assisting animals in their evolution might consider whether this assistance is good. The robust health of the wild buffalo compared with the emaciated modern cow suggests otherwise. So does the sleek, wild hog compared with the twentieth-century pig, and the wild dog with the abominable products of cross-breeding that win prizes at dog shows. Nature could manage well without such assistance."

-Donald Watson, 1948

I don't think I've ever heard someone argue that veganism would lead to a barren world devoid of animals...is this a thing?

Just once I want to read one of these and see it's an actual original amazin thought

No, no one has ever argued this

Which is to be eaten ldo.

My dad had a quad-bypass with no previous warning... just boom; you're ****ed - probably had nothing to do with the food he ate...

You're overweight and in your 60's, yes?

Think he's 56 give or take a few

http://www.veganise.me/vegan-faq-4-a...ns-hypocritesp

You make a compelling case.

https://worldvegetarianday.navs-online.org/

can vegans link a website? nope

Seitan patty topped with tahini/deactivated yeast sauce. Going to bake it though. I don't grill, and it looks too much like a real bloodmouth burger. Damn vegans...

I've actually never tried seitan, although I probably should. It just seems so much work to make + I should reduce, not increase wheat in my diet.

LoL
Why dont you grill?

Natural gas burning up dinosaurs

Here's the seitan recipe I use. real easy and I don't bother with the lemon juice. Could skip nutritional yeast too, but I pick it up at the same place I get the gluten.

https://legacyofpythagoras.wordpress...ompassion/amp/

Casey Taft is a clinical psychologist and is one of the few people on the planet who is studying this phenomenon. He has written a book on this subject and states that the most effective way to spread veganism is to unequivocally promote veganism without accepting baby steps as a viable alternative. One issue is that when one approaches "veganism" by slow degrees, they are self-reinforcing the concept that their personal pleasure and comfort trumps the welfare and lives of animals. Later in life, this programming persists, and when a tough decision is faced, one will more likely choose to go with personal comfort.

http://veganpublishers.com/multimedi...ional-methods/

baby steps brought you to the extremism that you're now preaching from your perch. from your own personal experience why do you believe it is not a viable alternative?

False; I made the decision shortly thereafter to go vegan. I never had a vegetarian stage. That said, I know many vegans who were vegetarians before transitioning to veganism. I never claimed that a baby steps/small changes approach never results in a vegan lifestyle. I simply asserted it's not the optimal method

Nothing really to grill.

How "shortly" thereafter was your vegetarian stage that never existed? Why is a gradual transition not optimal?

Less then a week. I've already stated why

Lol @ thinking I'm going to search all of your gazillion posts to find out why it's not optimal. Sorry, sweetie, but you're going to have to repeat yourself - you know, for the good of veganism. I'm sure you repeat yourself constantly every day for the same reason.