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Old 12-12-2006, 03:43 AM   #251
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Awesome trip report. I enjoyed that.
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This is the best thread I have ever read on 2p2. Thank you very much for taking the time to write this all out. Reading this scared the hell out of me because although I am not really into drugs I have a bunch of friends who easily could have ended up in your situation. I would be extremely upset if that happened to them and am very sorry it had to happen to you. Best of luck.
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Awesome thread man, really best read I've ever had on this forum.
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MT2R,

awesome trip report, thanks for writing all this down.

Is it possible to get protection in the max if you pay the right guy(s)? Or does begging for help immediately mark you as a weak spot?
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MT2R, awesome TR.

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I agree that convicted felons should be more thoroughly screened, but an outright ban seems a bit harsh. CPA firms are hiring white collar criminals as consultants to help them provide services to client s who suspect fraud, so it's a bit hypocritical to not a mechanism whereby a felon may receive a license.

There are plenty of CPAs in jail who weren't felons when they passed the exam.
42it, don't you remember the statement you have to make every time you renew your license? And you had to fill something out before you got your license too. I'm sure if the state board of accountancy found out someone was convicted of a felony and did time, their license would be revoked.
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Great TR. One of the best threads I've read on 2+2.
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Old 12-12-2006, 01:20 PM   #257
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Could you elaborate on the treatment of Asian-American inmates? Any specific incidents of note that was racially motivated?

On a related note, I found this gem in the inmate search. This guy really makes us look bad- check out his Offense:

http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsecti...sp?idoc=R46899
the problem is that asian-americans didn't have a large enough group to be feared in the IDOC. They got their stuff taken and beat on constantly. Everything in prison is race-related. I remember the disgust the hispanics expressed when I was interested in the NCAA tourney basketball results; such as comments about 'monkey ball' and 'how good can a sport be if they are good at it.' All the gangs are developed along race lines.

It's disgusting
What about the jewish guys? I'm guessing not too many of us in prison.
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Many things that get you solitary can also add points or time onto your sentence.. You also VASTLY underestimate how bad solitary is... Solitary is not something you strive for..

You can get solitary for things like drugs, fighting, gambling, weapons...

how the [censored] do you know? crawl back under whatever rock from whence you come.


nice tr mt2r. good luck in the future.
Because I got out of the drug charges but was charged with felony assualt when I was 24 and did 13 months for Felony assault with intent. Got in a fight at a bar, guy smacks me with a bottle, I hit him twice, the second blow left his eyeball dangling when the eye socket was crushed and he cant see for the rest of his life. ... Thanks for asking
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I cant believe your lawyer didnt advise you to not accept this deal.. AT MOST you are getting possesion with intent.. And likely NOTHING unless someone did a controlled buy.. Manufacturing??

You got the classic case of lets charge this guy with everything even though nothing will stick so he will be skerred and plea to some BS..
possession with intent is 6 years min with an 85% truth in sentencing clause, meaning at least 4 1/2 years actual time served. That is a huge deal.

does your opinion change if you know the guy that ratted me was the son of high ranking local police officer?
No, why would it?
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LOL.. U did WHAT Now??? I got caught with 800 vials of testosterone enathate, cypionate and reforvit-B ( dianabol), 1.5 gallons of GBL, 15 seperate " cleaner" bottles of GHB, Over 5,000 Tabs of various anabolics, 400 Pills or VERSED ( midazolam) most potent date rape drug there is, .. ( was for sleep and fun, not raping) and about 700 ecstacy tabs.. they also took 83k in cash and my cars, And I got 5 year deferred with supervision and ankle bracelet... And no I didnt snitch.

You went to prison for THAT? WOW.. YOUR LAWYER SUCKED BALLS
sure you did.
No, I made it up to impress you.. GFY
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escobar, you sound like a winner.
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escobar, you sound like a winner.
GO back to micro-stakes DDY.

I got caught with somewhere near 250,000X more than dude did, he went to prison and I was chillin at home.. Id say I came out ahead there... I am simply saying, he got GUTTED and any lawyer would have fought that.... Especially given the circumstances around the arrest.. Horrible Horrible beat.. He literally went to prison for a few dollars worth of GHB.. FWIW, most GHB, when actually broken down is GBL or similar compunds, which is MUCH more difficult to prosecute as it isnt technically scheduled ( or at least wasnt).. It looks like him and lawyer just threw their arms up in the air and said UNCLE.. I have never in my life heard of anyone going to prison for simple possession of GBL... I used to be in the bodybuilding " industry" and know of AT Least 40 people that got caught receiving shipments of GBL and GHB from U.K.. They were sent in quarts ( not like this guys 2-3 doses), and recieved from UK, so importation laws were violated too.. I think of the 40 or so people that I know who got caught, like 1 of them went to prison, and when he got raided the found an UG anabolic steroid lab.. He did like 8 months, and probably had somewhere around 2-3 million in anabolic raw materials in his house..

How you can manage to go to prison for a couple bucks in what MAY have been GHB without fighting it is beyond me... Thats remarkable... It doesnt really surprise me though, pretty much everyone pees their pants any time a cop is involved... They are always looking to " make a deal" or snitch on people..


Sorry you had to endure prison for something so petty, but your lawyer shgould have his license revoked.
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sorry, you sound like a violent drug-dealing psychopath. And you were trafficing and distributing large quantities of a date rape drug and anabolic steriods into the US, um, wow.

start your own thread about it so we can flame you there and end the hijack of MT2R's thread.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:16 PM   #264
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escobar, you sound like a winner.
GO back to micro-stakes DDY.

I got caught with somewhere near 250,000X more than dude did, he went to prison and I was chillin at home.. Id say I came out ahead there... I am simply saying, he got GUTTED and any lawyer would have fought that.... Especially given the circumstances around the arrest.. Horrible Horrible beat.. He literally went to prison for a few dollars worth of GHB.. FWIW, most GHB, when actually broken down is GBL or similar compunds, which is MUCH more difficult to prosecute as it isnt technically scheduled ( or at least wasnt).. It looks like him and lawyer just threw their arms up in the air and said UNCLE.. I have never in my life heard of anyone going to prison for simple possession of GBL... I used to be in the bodybuilding " industry" and know of AT Least 40 people that got caught receiving shipments of GBL and GHB from U.K.. They were sent in quarts ( not like this guys 2-3 doses), and recieved from UK, so importation laws were violated too.. I think of the 40 or so people that I know who got caught, like 1 of them went to prison, and when he got raided the found an UG anabolic steroid lab.. He did like 8 months, and probably had somewhere around 2-3 million in anabolic raw materials in his house..

How you can manage to go to prison for a couple bucks in what MAY have been GHB without fighting it is beyond me... Thats remarkable... It doesnt really surprise me though, pretty much everyone pees their pants any time a cop is involved... They are always looking to " make a deal" or snitch on people..


Sorry you had to endure prison for something so petty, but your lawyer shgould have his license revoked.
It's not uncommon for persons charged with the same crime to receive sentences that vary greatly, depending on the jurisdiction. It can vary from state to state, county to county, municipality to municipality, and state versus federal.

Just an example, a person charged with a second DUI in a city near me may go to jail for 6 months, whereas a second DUI in another city near me will get you no jail time.

Although it's possible that the OP's attorney did a poor job, it's not the certainty that escobar suggests.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:28 PM   #265
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great post
sorry if this has been asked before, dont have time to read all the Q and A now, got class in 15 minutes,
you said " I'm coming off having my two big toenails removed. "
can you elaborate on this?
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escobar, you sound like a winner.
GO back to micro-stakes DDY.

I got caught with somewhere near 250,000X more than dude did, he went to prison and I was chillin at home.. Id say I came out ahead there... I am simply saying, he got GUTTED and any lawyer would have fought that.... Especially given the circumstances around the arrest.. Horrible Horrible beat.. He literally went to prison for a few dollars worth of GHB.. FWIW, most GHB, when actually broken down is GBL or similar compunds, which is MUCH more difficult to prosecute as it isnt technically scheduled ( or at least wasnt).. It looks like him and lawyer just threw their arms up in the air and said UNCLE.. I have never in my life heard of anyone going to prison for simple possession of GBL... I used to be in the bodybuilding " industry" and know of AT Least 40 people that got caught receiving shipments of GBL and GHB from U.K.. They were sent in quarts ( not like this guys 2-3 doses), and recieved from UK, so importation laws were violated too.. I think of the 40 or so people that I know who got caught, like 1 of them went to prison, and when he got raided the found an UG anabolic steroid lab.. He did like 8 months, and probably had somewhere around 2-3 million in anabolic raw materials in his house..

How you can manage to go to prison for a couple bucks in what MAY have been GHB without fighting it is beyond me... Thats remarkable... It doesnt really surprise me though, pretty much everyone pees their pants any time a cop is involved... They are always looking to " make a deal" or snitch on people..


Sorry you had to endure prison for something so petty, but your lawyer shgould have his license revoked.

come on man... do you not think I tried everything possible to get out of doing time? Do you really think I threw my hands up and gave up? You don't know me very well if you think that. I am not the type to ever give up.

I'm not some poor schmuck stuck with a public defender. My family and I had the resources to throw at this. I didn't just blindly follow my lawyer. When things seemed to be going bad, we used other lawyers and got their opinions. We used family connections to state political leaders. I contacted various public policy groups that protect against arbitrary sentences and unfair treatment to drug users.

In other words, I did everything possible. I got caught in a bad situation.

Who said I had 2-3 doses on me? I was caught with an awful lot...something over 50 doses. It was definitely GHB as they were able to confiscate my supply and have it tested in labs.

I was incorrectly labeled a 'date raper.' I did everything to inform the state's attorney about the anture of my intent. I was seen to use it by myself. I was not around women when busted. I sent news articles on the GHB scene in Champaign-Urbana according which should its popularity as a recreational drug.

I'm confused how you could think that I didn't fight it. The prosecution got quite pissed about how much heat and questions they were taking over my case from different sources. Someone got the 'date raper' idea and they wouldn't let up. Maybe if they thought I was just a meathead, steroid user, results would've been different.

I assumed you would know enough about the criminal justice system to realize how much sentences depend upon the local county and state prosecutors. As I said earlier, if I was caught in Cook County (Chicago), it is highly unlikely I would've done any time.
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Prior to going to prison, did you routinely have butterflies-in-stomach anxiety about normal things like going to the doctor, taking exams, heights, etc? Were you a worrier? After a year of nearly constant fear, do you ever feel those "normal" anxieties as a free man? Has the constant tension of essentially fearing for your life made you basically fearless in "normal life"?


I wasn't much of a worrier before prison. What little social uneasiness I felt in high school disappeared over the confidence I gained from the social butterfly I became on alcohol and drugs. Confidence was gained through my drug use and I was pretty comfortable person. I still feel 'normal' anxieties today. It's all relative. It reminds me of someone who spends there lives leaving in a climate like the Upper Midwest and Northeast where there are brutal winters and summers at time. That person then moves to California. Sooner or later, 40 degrees feels like the coldest day of their life.
It's relative and the human's mind ability to adjust like that should not be underrated.
I will admit, however, that when I start to feel nervous, I sometimes think back to what I've gone through to draw strength to handle whatever is facing me now. So, it helps a bit.


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Great thread, btw, and thanks for having the nads to share.
glad you and others are enjoying it. It's never been about the nads to share. As I've said, this is a long time past and I'm pretty comfortable with all that happened. My only concern was the wiseness of sharing.
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sorry if this has been asked before, dont have time to read all the Q and A now, got class in 15 minutes,
you said " I'm coming off having my two big toenails removed. "
can you elaborate on this?
nothing big....I have chronic ingrown toenail issues on my big toes. They hurt like crazy. Twice, I've gotten the sides of my nail removed. The last time, some type of acid was thrown on the nail root to kill its chances of growing. I still have problems today, but they are much better. I've contemplated going ahead and getting the nails removed permanently. Unfortunately, insurance considers it a 'cosmetic' procedure and won't cover it. It hurts like hell for only being a cosmetic issue.
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okay, i was thinking they removed them in prison or something so you couldnt cut people with them and i was blown away by how [censored] up that would be
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wow, great thread, you must really feel like your got totally bad beat by the whole situation.
I mean, seriously, if 1000 people carried the same amount of drugs you had, probaly no more than 10 of them would get caught, and maybe 1-2 would get sentenced as bad as you.
It sounds like you just got totally [censored] unlucky.

hmmm....well, it was probably on the lower end of possible outcomes, but not that crazy.
For one, I am grateful the theif didn't really screw himself up. The way the laws are written, I could've been gone a long time if he had somehow killed himself.

Also, that one instance looks like an amazingly bad outcome for me, but it reminds me of an analogy I heard regarding Long-Term Capital Management Co.
Getting struck by lightning is a bad break. However, if one rushes out to an open field with a lightning rod every time it storms, is it really that unexpected to be struck by lightning?

Like I said, I was using lots of different drugs. I was in lots of different weird situations. There were a handful of times when I just evaded the long arm of the law and/or personal injury. So, sure, this one outcome looks bad. But, if one puts themselves in 20+ situations to have the real bad outcome, how unlikely is it?
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awesome trip report, thanks for writing all this down.

Is it possible to get protection in the max if you pay the right guy(s)? Or does begging for help immediately mark you as a weak spot?

well...it turns out I was sort of protected by being around Cali all the time, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. No one wanted to cross him and I was considered his in a way.
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I know you are making good money playing poker now, but I feel for your situation as far as the job search goes. I know someone who has a prior and is having an incredibly difficult time finding a job for a college grad. The only advice I can offer is concentrate on small companies who might not think to perform a background check.
I can't believe your girlfriend stuck by you through prison, but then broke it off during house arrest. I guess it must have been too difficult seeing you every day, but not being able to enjoy the relationship as it had been.
well, the issue with the girlfriend was that even when I was out and on house arrest, I wasn't back to myself. I'm well adjusted to all of it now, but the whole thing did a real brain [censored] on me at the time. It probably was at least 4 months before I felt somewhat normal again and a year until I was fully normalized. My brain was crushed and I didn't think straight. She was 20 and shouldn't have to put up with [censored] like that. She eventually got tired of middle of the night calls and my weakness. I think she made a poor choice, but I understand it. It took me a long time to become the 'old me.'
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Don't think I saw this asked, so were there any prisoners who received special treatment while in jail? I am again thinking of movies/tv like Goodfellas and 'The Wire' where bigshot criminals are able to enjoy a good quality of life while in the can and get special treatment from guards. If such a dynamic exists in real life, how does it play out?
there used to be alot of prisoners treated special, but that got cleaned up in Illinois in the mid/late 90s. In May of 1996, there was a huge news story that exposed the state of Illinois prisons after Bill Curtis, of A&E fame, brought to light videos of the prison system and specifically Richard Speck. The prison system was run by the inmates and the guards just let whatever happen as long as they were safe. After this video and a flurry of filed lawsuits, the IDOC cleaned up its act. They put in many more fences and gates, established better controls to monitor the prison pop, it kept too many prisoners from congregating, and it ended special treatment. The minimum security prison, Vienna, was infamous for having gang leader Larry Hoover, chief of the gangster disciples, run the prison. By the time of my incarceration, this type of thing had been slowed down a ton as the guards took the prison system over. The interstate trading of gang chiefs helped end the system of a few guys dominating the system.



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Yes. He did everything possible. I did consult other lawyers when things got bad and they all came to the same agreement. My lawyer has always felt bad about my case and thinks it is one the biggest 'raw' deals he has seen. Oh well..
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If given the choice as an alternate to 10 years in min security prison, what is the most ammount of time you would spend in Joliet?
1 year....it's that different
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just wanted to say this is a really interesting thread and I have a lot of respect for how you handled all this.

thank you. I'm pretty sure most reasonable people would have handled it the same way.
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Question for you:

I am white, 5'8 150 (pretty fit but not like im gonna scare anyone)
Now normally i would be approached the arryans however, i am also jewish.
Now i dont have a big nose or anything sterotypical jewish.
But i do have brown hair/eyes.
If the arryans would find out would i be dead shortly thereafter? and if i really needed protection could i join the arryans or would they find out?

don't let them find out.
honestly, it's more of let's band together as white guys. It seemed that only a few of the 'leaders' took the anti-Jewish race stuff as a big deal. Most of it was about banding together as white guys, so we don't get our azzes kicked as a minority in the system.
I never heard of them going after Jewish prisoners. They might look down at you, but they are more concerned about protecting themselves from other inmate groups.

HOnestly, it was my opinion to just stay away from the stuff altogether as that crowd doesn't help.
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I actually met some guys a few nights ago who know you in Champaign. I don't think I got their names, but one of them had a twin and was a little chubby with black hair. He could've been Italian.

How would a Persian like me be treated in prison?? My skin tone is lighter than most white people. Technically, I am Caucasian.
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just wanted to say this is a really interesting thread and I have a lot of respect for how you handled all this.

thank you. I'm pretty sure most reasonable people would have handled it the same way.
I don't think so. I don't think I would have done as well as you did.
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Don't think I saw this asked, so were there any prisoners who received special treatment while in jail? I am again thinking of movies/tv like Goodfellas and 'The Wire' where bigshot criminals are able to enjoy a good quality of life while in the can and get special treatment from guards. If such a dynamic exists in real life, how does it play out?
there used to be alot of prisoners treated special, but that got cleaned up in Illinois in the mid/late 90s. In May of 1996, there was a huge news story that exposed the state of Illinois prisons after Bill Curtis, of A&E fame, brought to light videos of the prison system and specifically Richard Speck. The prison system was run by the inmates and the guards just let whatever happen as long as they were safe. After this video and a flurry of filed lawsuits, the IDOC cleaned up its act. They put in many more fences and gates, established better controls to monitor the prison pop, it kept too many prisoners from congregating, and it ended special treatment. The minimum security prison, Vienna, was infamous for having gang leader Larry Hoover, chief of the gangster disciples, run the prison. By the time of my incarceration, this type of thing had been slowed down a ton as the guards took the prison system over. The interstate trading of gang chiefs helped end the system of a few guys dominating the system.



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Yes. He did everything possible. I did consult other lawyers when things got bad and they all came to the same agreement. My lawyer has always felt bad about my case and thinks it is one the biggest 'raw' deals he has seen. Oh well..
If you went to prison for simple possession of GHB, dont get caught playing poker for a living, you might get the death penalty
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Great post MT2R.

I'm glad that you have taken this experience as rolling over a speed bump instead of running into a brick wall.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread.

As a current UofI student, I have not run into anyone using illegal drugs (besides weed, of course). I do not hang out in social circles that use drugs recreationally, so I'm not familiar with all of the different types of drugs, what the effects are, etc.

When you were here, did you notice a trend of hard-drug usage among certain groups of people (i.e. Greek houses or other campus organizations) or was it scattered randomly throughout campus? I've heard rumors of certain houses who incorporate hard drugs into initiations and the like.

Also, just for kicks, what APT. complex did you live in before and after your prison term?
It is really random where drugs take hold on campus. If you aren't around the drug scene, you won't even notice most of it other than weed here and there and, possibly, ecstasy. Those that smoke and buy alot of weed will come across things. Some of it is in the frats. Some was in the student-athletes. Some was with the non-greeks. Some was with the townies. It really cut across all spectrums. One frat lost its charter at UofI over an event where they smoked 8-balls and got naked with some ladies on the quad. Another frat had a problem with using E at a pledge event. Hard drug use was really an individual or small group thing and not an institutional matter. Most drug use should be unseen, even though it's happening all over campus. It's not good to make yourself known. I personally never interacted with campus, champaign, or urbana police ever. Only my close friends knew of my use. When I was on G at a bar, most just assumed I was drunk. I confined other drug use to safe environs.
Let's see, pre-prison, I lived in the following places:
Hopkins Hall
48 E John (CPM apt complex at the corner of locust and john--this was where I lived when busted)
102(?) Gregory (Gabe's place apt building at the corner of first and gregory)

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Forbes Hall
a house on Wright just north of White--I forget the address
305 E Green (apt building by where Burger King used to be, across from Gully's)
48 E John (again)-much different vibe the second time around
806 W Oregon- house

I now live just off the corner of Lincoln and Oregon in a Gabe's Place apartment building

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(OT) What are your thoughts on Ron Zook? Prediction for next years football team? I've sat through 13 games in my 1.5 years here and well...it's mostly miserable (exception OSU this year).

Again, thanks for doing this. Great thread.
I'm real excited about Illini football. Zook is a recruiting machine. It seems very likely they will be bringing in a marginal top10 recruiting class to Champaign this year. The young guys are going to get lots of experience on the field as they did this year. Experience on the field counts big time. With that talent getting playtime, Illinois will be a top20 team within 2 years.

Unfortunately, Zook isn't the greatest game coach. His clock management sucks. He is excellent at developing the defense (which is his baby). Locksley is a good OC and a great playcaller. I am concerned that Locksley will be on to either a head coaching job or pro coordinator job in the near future.

The Illini schedule gets tougher next year, which sucks. The crazy thing is Illinois should've been a bowl team this year. They outplayed Ohio, Indiana, Penn St, Wisconsin, and were in great shape verse Purdue. The fumble issues, inexperience, punting game, and weakness at left tackle really hurt. All of these things should improve. Hopefully, Zook will have a good kick returner back the whole year instead of just the last few games. With the number of big play potential guys the Illini are bringing in, the return game should be huge.

I expect a low bowl game next year and competing for the Big10 crown (but falling short) in two years. The future is bright and I think Zook is going to make it big at Illinois do to his recruiting and strength at developing the defense, despite his below average game coaching.
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FWIW, I respected your opinions, sports analysis, and ACL injury advice before this post. This post - solid stuff.

Have you considered writing a "How to survive prison guide" for people who made one stupid mistake and have to deal with the physical and mental anguish of prison life? I'd buy a copy just for a perspective read.
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Reading this makes me hate the [censored] criminal justice system even more. I was an advocate for drug law reform, lighter sentences for 1st time and light offenders, and much heavier sentences and capital punishment for those who truly threaten society. My position has just been bolstered.
I feel the same way
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just wanted to say this is a really interesting thread and I have a lot of respect for how you handled all this.

thank you. I'm pretty sure most reasonable people would have handled it the same way.
I don't think so. I don't think I would have done as well as you did.
yah, i'm pretty sure i'd be someone's bitch.

i've read all the posts so far, but i can't recall seeing anything about this. if you handn't gotten in the fight with cali, would you have stayed at the same prison your whole sentence?
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This is the best thread I have ever read on 2p2. Thank you very much for taking the time to write this all out. Reading this scared the hell out of me because although I am not really into drugs I have a bunch of friends who easily could have ended up in your situation. I would be extremely upset if that happened to them and am very sorry it had to happen to you. Best of luck.

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wow....just a random sampling on this page. Sorry to not respond to everyone who has given similar sentiments. I'm glad so many have enjoyed this thread. I feel a little silly about not posting it for so long now. I just didn't think it was that interesting. I have to disagree with it being one of the best on 2p2 ever, let alone this week. I'm still blown away by Sup Bro, How Many 5 year olds?, chuddo/Olivia, banging chicks on myspace, MSPaint, etc as far as non-strategy. This thread isn't even in the same ballpark IMO.
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just wanted to say this is a really interesting thread and I have a lot of respect for how you handled all this.

thank you. I'm pretty sure most reasonable people would have handled it the same way.
I don't think so. I don't think I would have done as well as you did.
yah, i'm pretty sure i'd be someone's bitch.

i've read all the posts so far, but i can't recall seeing anything about this. if you handn't gotten in the fight with cali, would you have stayed at the same prison your whole sentence?

yes, I most likely would've stayed at Joliet the whole time. I had sent in numerous requests to move and the consulors were not up for signing off. They thought I was better off in Joliet. Like most public officials, they were underpaid and overworked so mistakes happen.
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I actually met some guys a few nights ago who know you in Champaign. I don't think I got their names, but one of them had a twin and was a little chubby with black hair. He could've been Italian.

How would a Persian like me be treated in prison?? My skin tone is lighter than most white people. Technically, I am Caucasian.
really? people who know me? Not ringing a bell, but a definite possibilty. I don't get around town much anymore.

About the only people that know me are guys who shoot pool at Jillian's, some PhD students, and people that give me the odd look because I'm the guy watching the portable DVD player while doing cardio workouts at CIRCE.

If your skin tone is faint enough, you'd just fit in with the white guys.
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just wanted to say this is a really interesting thread and I have a lot of respect for how you handled all this.

thank you. I'm pretty sure most reasonable people would have handled it the same way.
I don't think so. I don't think I would have done as well as you did.
yah, i'm pretty sure i'd be someone's bitch.

i've read all the posts so far, but i can't recall seeing anything about this. if you handn't gotten in the fight with cali, would you have stayed at the same prison your whole sentence?

yes, I most likely would've stayed at Joliet the whole time. I had sent in numerous requests to move and the consulors were not up for signing off. They thought I was better off in Joliet. Like most public officials, they were underpaid and overworked so mistakes happen.
man, who'd of thought catching a beating would be one of the luckiest things that happened to you in this year or two.
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If you went to prison for simple possession of GHB, dont get caught playing poker for a living, you might get the death penalty

Now you're obviously just trolling.
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Just out of curiosity, where did your lawyer put your chances of going to trial and getting found not guilty. It seems like the cops [censored] up pretty good at the scene. Were you the one that rented the hotel room? How many people were in the room partying? Did you admit the GHB was yours when you were questioned by them? Did they fingerprint the bottle? When the cops go into a hotel room filled with a bunch of guys partying, and end up just taking names and leaving, it seems like it would be really hard to come back 3 months later and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that one particular person out of the group had possesion of a bottle that was under the bed or in a dresser drawer or whatever.

It also looks like there might have been some 4th Amendment issues with the search since (I assume) the GHB wasn't in plain sight.
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Excellent story, thanks for sharing
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I actually met some guys a few nights ago who know you in Champaign. I don't think I got their names, but one of them had a twin and was a little chubby with black hair. He could've been Italian.

How would a Persian like me be treated in prison?? My skin tone is lighter than most white people. Technically, I am Caucasian.
really? people who know me? Not ringing a bell, but a definite possibilty. I don't get around town much anymore.

About the only people that know me are guys who shoot pool at Jillian's, some PhD students, and people that give me the odd look because I'm the guy watching the portable DVD player while doing cardio workouts at [b]CIRCE[b/].

If your skin tone is faint enough, you'd just fit in with the white guys.
hopefully they will be finished with the construction on impe before im done here.
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awesome trip report, thanks for writing all this down.

Is it possible to get protection in the max if you pay the right guy(s)? Or does begging for help immediately mark you as a weak spot?

well...it turns out I was sort of protected by being around Cali all the time, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. No one wanted to cross him and I was considered his in a way.
why were you hanging around cali all the time? why did you talk back to him?
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MT2R-

You said never making eye contact and keeping your mouth shut are really important. What happens if you walk past a couple random guys and just nod and say "Hows it going?" and keep walking? Ass kicking time? Or just seen as a guy trying to be friendly?
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MT2R,

awesome trip report, thanks for writing all this down.

Is it possible to get protection in the max if you pay the right guy(s)? Or does begging for help immediately mark you as a weak spot?

well...it turns out I was sort of protected by being around Cali all the time, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. No one wanted to cross him and I was considered his in a way.
why were you hanging around cali all the time? why did you talk back to him?
Did you read the OP?
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One more question.

Everyone knows what it's like to have a really good dream and wake up to reality and feel a little depressed that it didn't really happen/have a really bad dream and wake up ecstatic that it didn't really happen. Did you experience this often in prison and if so how did you feel when you woke up in Joliet? Did you ever wake up and think you were at home in your bed and then realize you were in prison?

And great thread btw.
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This is a huge thread now and is the best TR. Great job to OP for keeping up with questions. I'm glad things are working out for you now
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I noticed in your original post that you didn't elaborate on "One of the Greatest moments of my life was on one of her visits" when talking about your girlfriend. Care to elaborate?

Also Gabe's Place apartments suck. I'm in one now.
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You will be paid to go back to Joliet for 1 month, starting tomorrow.

How much is the minimum you would take?

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Great post MT2R.

I'm glad that you have taken this experience as rolling over a speed bump instead of running into a brick wall.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread.

As a current UofI student, I have not run into anyone using illegal drugs (besides weed, of course). I do not hang out in social circles that use drugs recreationally, so I'm not familiar with all of the different types of drugs, what the effects are, etc.

When you were here, did you notice a trend of hard-drug usage among certain groups of people (i.e. Greek houses or other campus organizations) or was it scattered randomly throughout campus? I've heard rumors of certain houses who incorporate hard drugs into initiations and the like.

Also, just for kicks, what APT. complex did you live in before and after your prison term?
It is really random where drugs take hold on campus. If you aren't around the drug scene, you won't even notice most of it other than weed here and there and, possibly, ecstasy. Those that smoke and buy alot of weed will come across things. Some of it is in the frats. Some was in the student-athletes. Some was with the non-greeks. Some was with the townies. It really cut across all spectrums. One frat lost its charter at UofI over an event where they smoked 8-balls and got naked with some ladies on the quad. Another frat had a problem with using E at a pledge event. Hard drug use was really an individual or small group thing and not an institutional matter. Most drug use should be unseen, even though it's happening all over campus. It's not good to make yourself known. I personally never interacted with campus, champaign, or urbana police ever. Only my close friends knew of my use. When I was on G at a bar, most just assumed I was drunk. I confined other drug use to safe environs.
Let's see, pre-prison, I lived in the following places:
Hopkins Hall
48 E John (CPM apt complex at the corner of locust and john--this was where I lived when busted)
102(?) Gregory (Gabe's place apt building at the corner of first and gregory)

since:
Forbes Hall
a house on Wright just north of White--I forget the address
305 E Green (apt building by where Burger King used to be, across from Gully's)
48 E John (again)-much different vibe the second time around
806 W Oregon- house

I now live just off the corner of Lincoln and Oregon in a Gabe's Place apartment building

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(OT) What are your thoughts on Ron Zook? Prediction for next years football team? I've sat through 13 games in my 1.5 years here and well...it's mostly miserable (exception OSU this year).

Again, thanks for doing this. Great thread.
I'm real excited about Illini football. Zook is a recruiting machine. It seems very likely they will be bringing in a marginal top10 recruiting class to Champaign this year. The young guys are going to get lots of experience on the field as they did this year. Experience on the field counts big time. With that talent getting playtime, Illinois will be a top20 team within 2 years.

Unfortunately, Zook isn't the greatest game coach. His clock management sucks. He is excellent at developing the defense (which is his baby). Locksley is a good OC and a great playcaller. I am concerned that Locksley will be on to either a head coaching job or pro coordinator job in the near future.

The Illini schedule gets tougher next year, which sucks. The crazy thing is Illinois should've been a bowl team this year. They outplayed Ohio, Indiana, Penn St, Wisconsin, and were in great shape verse Purdue. The fumble issues, inexperience, punting game, and weakness at left tackle really hurt. All of these things should improve. Hopefully, Zook will have a good kick returner back the whole year instead of just the last few games. With the number of big play potential guys the Illini are bringing in, the return game should be huge.

I expect a low bowl game next year and competing for the Big10 crown (but falling short) in two years. The future is bright and I think Zook is going to make it big at Illinois do to his recruiting and strength at developing the defense, despite his below average game coaching.
I didnt realize you still live on campus.Ive actually been to some of the places that you have lived at. Great thread btw. My uncle served time in the min security prison at Vienna. He was in for drug possession and selling (i believe it was almost every drug there was). I visited him once there when i was younger, the place didnt seem too bad at all. My question is, in regards to preparing for life after prison, what would you have done differently?
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Also Gabe's Place apartments suck. I'm in one now.
The one on 1st and Gregory always looks dirty and run-down. I do like the out-of-use Mountain Dew vending machine on the side of the building however. I hope the rent there is dirt cheap.
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Also Gabe's Place apartments suck. I'm in one now.
The one on 1st and Gregory always looks dirty and run-down. I do like the out-of-use Mountain Dew vending machine on the side of the building however. I hope the rent there is dirt cheap.
my roommates g/f lives there now, the insides are crap. small and run down. rent is cheap though.we once tried to steal that vending maching to make it into a kegerator, but the cops kept driving by
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