Awesome trip report. I enjoyed that.

This is the best thread I have ever read on 2p2. Thank you very much for taking the time to write this all out. Reading this scared the hell out of me because although I am not really into drugs I have a bunch of friends who easily could have ended up in your situation. I would be extremely upset if that happened to them and am very sorry it had to happen to you. Best of luck.

Awesome thread man, really best read I've ever had on this forum.

MT2R,

awesome trip report, thanks for writing all this down.

Is it possible to get protection in the max if you pay the right guy(s)? Or does begging for help immediately mark you as a weak spot?

MT2R, awesome TR.

42it, don't you remember the statement you have to make every time you renew your license? And you had to fill something out before you got your license too. I'm sure if the state board of accountancy found out someone was convicted of a felony and did time, their license would be revoked.

Great TR. One of the best threads I've read on 2+2.

What about the jewish guys? I'm guessing not too many of us in prison.

Because I got out of the drug charges but was charged with felony assualt when I was 24 and did 13 months for Felony assault with intent. Got in a fight at a bar, guy smacks me with a bottle, I hit him twice, the second blow left his eyeball dangling when the eye socket was crushed and he cant see for the rest of his life. ... Thanks for asking

No, why would it?

No, I made it up to impress you.. GFY

escobar, you sound like a winner.

GO back to micro-stakes DDY.

I got caught with somewhere near 250,000X more than dude did, he went to prison and I was chillin at home.. Id say I came out ahead there... I am simply saying, he got GUTTED and any lawyer would have fought that.... Especially given the circumstances around the arrest.. Horrible Horrible beat.. He literally went to prison for a few dollars worth of GHB.. FWIW, most GHB, when actually broken down is GBL or similar compunds, which is MUCH more difficult to prosecute as it isnt technically scheduled ( or at least wasnt).. It looks like him and lawyer just threw their arms up in the air and said UNCLE.. I have never in my life heard of anyone going to prison for simple possession of GBL... I used to be in the bodybuilding " industry" and know of AT Least 40 people that got caught receiving shipments of GBL and GHB from U.K.. They were sent in quarts ( not like this guys 2-3 doses), and recieved from UK, so importation laws were violated too.. I think of the 40 or so people that I know who got caught, like 1 of them went to prison, and when he got raided the found an UG anabolic steroid lab.. He did like 8 months, and probably had somewhere around 2-3 million in anabolic raw materials in his house..

How you can manage to go to prison for a couple bucks in what MAY have been GHB without fighting it is beyond me... Thats remarkable... It doesnt really surprise me though, pretty much everyone pees their pants any time a cop is involved... They are always looking to " make a deal" or snitch on people..


Sorry you had to endure prison for something so petty, but your lawyer shgould have his license revoked.

sorry, you sound like a violent drug-dealing psychopath. And you were trafficing and distributing large quantities of a date rape drug and anabolic steriods into the US, um, wow.

start your own thread about it so we can flame you there and end the hijack of MT2R's thread.

It's not uncommon for persons charged with the same crime to receive sentences that vary greatly, depending on the jurisdiction. It can vary from state to state, county to county, municipality to municipality, and state versus federal.

Just an example, a person charged with a second DUI in a city near me may go to jail for 6 months, whereas a second DUI in another city near me will get you no jail time.

Although it's possible that the OP's attorney did a poor job, it's not the certainty that escobar suggests.

great post
sorry if this has been asked before, dont have time to read all the Q and A now, got class in 15 minutes,
you said " I'm coming off having my two big toenails removed. "
can you elaborate on this?

come on man... do you not think I tried everything possible to get out of doing time? Do you really think I threw my hands up and gave up? You don't know me very well if you think that. I am not the type to ever give up.

I'm not some poor schmuck stuck with a public defender. My family and I had the resources to throw at this. I didn't just blindly follow my lawyer. When things seemed to be going bad, we used other lawyers and got their opinions. We used family connections to state political leaders. I contacted various public policy groups that protect against arbitrary sentences and unfair treatment to drug users.

In other words, I did everything possible. I got caught in a bad situation.

Who said I had 2-3 doses on me? I was caught with an awful lot...something over 50 doses. It was definitely GHB as they were able to confiscate my supply and have it tested in labs.

I was incorrectly labeled a 'date raper.' I did everything to inform the state's attorney about the anture of my intent. I was seen to use it by myself. I was not around women when busted. I sent news articles on the GHB scene in Champaign-Urbana according which should its popularity as a recreational drug.

I'm confused how you could think that I didn't fight it. The prosecution got quite pissed about how much heat and questions they were taking over my case from different sources. Someone got the 'date raper' idea and they wouldn't let up. Maybe if they thought I was just a meathead, steroid user, results would've been different.

I assumed you would know enough about the criminal justice system to realize how much sentences depend upon the local county and state prosecutors. As I said earlier, if I was caught in Cook County (Chicago), it is highly unlikely I would've done any time.

I wasn't much of a worrier before prison. What little social uneasiness I felt in high school disappeared over the confidence I gained from the social butterfly I became on alcohol and drugs. Confidence was gained through my drug use and I was pretty comfortable person. I still feel 'normal' anxieties today. It's all relative. It reminds me of someone who spends there lives leaving in a climate like the Upper Midwest and Northeast where there are brutal winters and summers at time. That person then moves to California. Sooner or later, 40 degrees feels like the coldest day of their life.
It's relative and the human's mind ability to adjust like that should not be underrated.
I will admit, however, that when I start to feel nervous, I sometimes think back to what I've gone through to draw strength to handle whatever is facing me now. So, it helps a bit.


glad you and others are enjoying it. It's never been about the nads to share. As I've said, this is a long time past and I'm pretty comfortable with all that happened. My only concern was the wiseness of sharing.

nothing big....I have chronic ingrown toenail issues on my big toes. They hurt like crazy. Twice, I've gotten the sides of my nail removed. The last time, some type of acid was thrown on the nail root to kill its chances of growing. I still have problems today, but they are much better. I've contemplated going ahead and getting the nails removed permanently. Unfortunately, insurance considers it a 'cosmetic' procedure and won't cover it. It hurts like hell for only being a cosmetic issue.

okay, i was thinking they removed them in prison or something so you couldnt cut people with them and i was blown away by how [censored] up that would be

hmmm....well, it was probably on the lower end of possible outcomes, but not that crazy.
For one, I am grateful the theif didn't really screw himself up. The way the laws are written, I could've been gone a long time if he had somehow killed himself.

Also, that one instance looks like an amazingly bad outcome for me, but it reminds me of an analogy I heard regarding Long-Term Capital Management Co.
Getting struck by lightning is a bad break. However, if one rushes out to an open field with a lightning rod every time it storms, is it really that unexpected to be struck by lightning?

Like I said, I was using lots of different drugs. I was in lots of different weird situations. There were a handful of times when I just evaded the long arm of the law and/or personal injury. So, sure, this one outcome looks bad. But, if one puts themselves in 20+ situations to have the real bad outcome, how unlikely is it?

well...it turns out I was sort of protected by being around Cali all the time, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. No one wanted to cross him and I was considered his in a way.

well, the issue with the girlfriend was that even when I was out and on house arrest, I wasn't back to myself. I'm well adjusted to all of it now, but the whole thing did a real brain [censored] on me at the time. It probably was at least 4 months before I felt somewhat normal again and a year until I was fully normalized. My brain was crushed and I didn't think straight. She was 20 and shouldn't have to put up with [censored] like that. She eventually got tired of middle of the night calls and my weakness. I think she made a poor choice, but I understand it. It took me a long time to become the 'old me.'

there used to be alot of prisoners treated special, but that got cleaned up in Illinois in the mid/late 90s. In May of 1996, there was a huge news story that exposed the state of Illinois prisons after Bill Curtis, of A&E fame, brought to light videos of the prison system and specifically Richard Speck. The prison system was run by the inmates and the guards just let whatever happen as long as they were safe. After this video and a flurry of filed lawsuits, the IDOC cleaned up its act. They put in many more fences and gates, established better controls to monitor the prison pop, it kept too many prisoners from congregating, and it ended special treatment. The minimum security prison, Vienna, was infamous for having gang leader Larry Hoover, chief of the gangster disciples, run the prison. By the time of my incarceration, this type of thing had been slowed down a ton as the guards took the prison system over. The interstate trading of gang chiefs helped end the system of a few guys dominating the system.



Yes. He did everything possible. I did consult other lawyers when things got bad and they all came to the same agreement. My lawyer has always felt bad about my case and thinks it is one the biggest 'raw' deals he has seen. Oh well..

1 year....it's that different

thank you. I'm pretty sure most reasonable people would have handled it the same way.