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03-05-2012 , 11:06 AM
Going to see a counsellor is a complete waste of time in most cases and for OP it is not even a question. He is not being honest and his goal in coming here is just to get affirmation. He knows that a good portion of OOT are fairly ****ed up in the same way so between those and the people who embrace psychiatry he knows he'll get that affirmation. OP has almost zero chance of fixing himself.
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03-05-2012 , 11:24 AM
**** the haters, OP is pulling righteous tail AND pwning standardized tests; what more do you non-self-actualized sheep want from him? A Noble Prize? LOL. Self-Hating Dude, keep on letting your furry freak flag fly, livin' the life imo.
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03-05-2012 , 12:16 PM
OP, if you pay me and do EVERYTHING I tell you to do, I will fix you. Think of me as your totalitarian life coach. PM me if interested.
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03-05-2012 , 12:18 PM
wait i want that
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03-05-2012 , 12:37 PM
too much words, but good luck op.
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03-05-2012 , 12:38 PM
Alobar, fix me too.
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03-05-2012 , 02:03 PM
itt, people are furious that a guy who claims to be a narcissist actually sounds like one in his OP.
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03-05-2012 , 02:32 PM
everybody mad that op has had sex with a woman
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03-05-2012 , 03:07 PM
OP reminds me a bit of the focal character of Good Old Neon. (Warning: it's an even longer read than the OP.)
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03-05-2012 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SelfHatingDude
So OOT, tell me what you think of me? Am I salvageable? Do I have serious psychological issues? How do I change as a person to connect better with people around me and not manipulate people? What is the first step to changing as a person? How do I learn to accept myself and those closest to me? I have the ability to achieve great success in life, but have a self-destructive personality. I am never satisfied with what I have, therefore I am always screwing up the best things in my life. I want to be content like all the other fish out there. Instead I analyze every situation to death and the anxiety mounts. I feel like I am a lost cause.
Everyone is salvageable if they are willing to do a lot of work.

If by serious psychological issues you mean some sort of brain chemistry imbalance that requires life long medication, no. If you mean some personality pathology and a highly distorted way of viewing the world and yourself, yes, but your issues are fairly common.

You learn to stop manipulating people by not manipulating people. You learn to stop changing people and being a narcissistic self-centered guy by not doing those things you've done in the past.

There is no magic bullet. You need to fundamentally overhaul the way you think about the world and about yourself. The odds of you being able to do that without some sort of professional guidance are not good, IMO. The good thing is you appear to have some insight and a desire to change. But those two things without actively CHANGING YOUR BEHAVIORS will only result in you becoming even more wrapped up in your head, which is where most of your problem lies.
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03-05-2012 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
OP, if you pay me and do EVERYTHING I tell you to do, I will fix you. Think of me as your totalitarian life coach. PM me if interested.
Lol dude how much for that ****?

jmakinmecrzy is bang on.

One question I have though, OP, is what part of yourself is it that you're hiding from?
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03-05-2012 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
The good thing is you appear to have some insight and a desire to change. .
I'm interested on what makes you think he has insight. Could you elaborate?
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03-05-2012 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
I'm interested on what makes you think he has insight. Could you elaborate?
Some insight.

Because he's self-labeling/identifying some of his problem behaviors. That's huge for some people. It's shocking how many people will come in to talk to a counselor or therapist and complain about how ****ty their life and relationships are, yet somehow sincerely believe that it has nothing to do with them. In their head, it's all outside of their own behaviors and is done TO them, not BY them.
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03-05-2012 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Some insight.

Because he's self-labeling/identifying some of his problem behaviors. That's huge for some people. It's shocking how many people will come in to talk to a counselor or therapist and complain about how ****ty their life and relationships are, yet somehow sincerely believe that it has nothing to do with them. In their head, it's all outside of their own behaviors and is done TO them, not BY them.
The question is, is he just saying these things, or does he really believe them?
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03-05-2012 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Some insight.

Because he's self-labeling/identifying some of his problem behaviors. That's huge for some people. It's shocking how many people will come in to talk to a counselor or therapist and complain about how ****ty their life and relationships are, yet somehow sincerely believe that it has nothing to do with them. In their head, it's all outside of their own behaviors and is done TO them, not BY them.
IMO this is merely one of the main differences between the narcissiat and the sociopath. The sociopath is self aware but does not seek or want change.
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03-05-2012 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
The question is, is he just saying these things, or does he really believe them?
I charge by the hour for that sort of in depth analysis.

Odds are good that sometimes he believes it and sometimes not.
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03-05-2012 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
ugh this thread tilts me

OP this is quite possibly the worst place you could go if you're looking to improve your self esteem

but you knew that, didn't you. you were merely looking for a way to wall of text us your life ****ing story. and let's be real here: there are much, much worse fates than the one you currently seem to be stuck in. keep that in mind

oh yea and 1 more thing. You sound like a textbook narcissist - you come in here under the guise of self hate and loathing, but your OP reeks of examples that seem to prop you up, even as you tear them down

like this "stable" of girls you mention - do you really think it's how you're imagining it, and that they were just "waiting" to fall in love with you, because you're clearly that awesome? Take a hard look dude. I had similar delusions for a long time.

I can hardly make it 8 words in the OP without you describing how awesome you think you are. Also there's a lot of *I* and memememe language and hardly any consideration to the harm you have probably done to other people. Sure, you feel bad for what you did to your girlfriend (and even then it's probably not as bad as you think it is, because I think you overestimate your effect on other people) but then you immediately reflect back on to how it makes YOU feel.

The truth is, you probably won't even realize it until something much, much more devastating happens to you, if you ever realize it at all. But you'll never feel better about yourself until you realize and accept the fact that

A) it's possible you (possibly reinforced by your loved ones) are living under some delusions

B) you are not the center of the universe

and probably most importantly

C) it's possible you are deceiving yourself on a daily basis


these are 3 major realizations it took me to make some concrete change.
I don't think I am awesome, I actually do not like the person I am at the moment. I came here because there are generally some thinking people on this forum that offer some decent advice.

Also, I don't think my fate is terrible. I don't think my situation is terrible.

I wanted to tell my story as bluntly as possible (obviously there is some inherent bias) and get feedback. As a person who doesn't open up to too many people in my life, I thought by posting my situation here I would get a better feeling if many of these things are "normal" or if all of them are not normal.

Perhaps I do have some narcissistic tendencies and there is no doubt I need to work on becoming more secure in my own skin. I guess I was more looking for input on how screwed I am. Once you realize you can be dishonest and manipulate people, I imagine it's pretty hard to stop doing that and that scares the crap out of me.
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03-05-2012 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tuuufts
Hi OP,

You sound kind of similar to me, or who I was for a long time. I have similar personality traits and experienced a similar crash after a relationship that led me questioning everything about myself and the way I had lived my life.

I wouldn't spend too much time beating yourself up. It it is what it is and it seems like something has finally motivated you to change the way things are, which is a good first step and one some people never make. Along with that, you can work on accepting that you ARE this manipulative etc person with all these problems you see in front of you. And you have to be that person before you can be anyone else.

I've been going through a similar self improvement process, and it's never really complete. But I do feel myself becoming closer and closer to the person I want to be, not the person I feel compelled to be. I can share some books that have helped me along if you like. I'd also recommend therapy.
Hi Tuuufts-

I would PM you, but my account is too new. Do you mind sharing some titles?
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03-05-2012 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
ugh this thread tilts me

OP this is quite possibly the worst place you could go if you're looking to improve your self esteem

but you knew that, didn't you. you were merely looking for a way to wall of text us your life ****ing story. and let's be real here: there are much, much worse fates than the one you currently seem to be stuck in. keep that in mind

oh yea and 1 more thing. You sound like a textbook narcissist - you come in here under the guise of self hate and loathing, but your OP reeks of examples that seem to prop you up, even as you tear them down

like this "stable" of girls you mention - do you really think it's how you're imagining it, and that they were just "waiting" to fall in love with you, because you're clearly that awesome? Take a hard look dude. I had similar delusions for a long time.

I can hardly make it 8 words in the OP without you describing how awesome you think you are. Also there's a lot of *I* and memememe language and hardly any consideration to the harm you have probably done to other people. Sure, you feel bad for what you did to your girlfriend (and even then it's probably not as bad as you think it is, because I think you overestimate your effect on other people) but then you immediately reflect back on to how it makes YOU feel.

The truth is, you probably won't even realize it until something much, much more devastating happens to you, if you ever realize it at all. But you'll never feel better about yourself until you realize and accept the fact that

A) it's possible you (possibly reinforced by your loved ones) are living under some delusions

B) you are not the center of the universe

and probably most importantly

C) it's possible you are deceiving yourself on a daily basis


these are 3 major realizations it took me to make some concrete change.
A) Is probably accurate
B) Is most certainly not the case. If I loved myself, I would treat those around me better.
C) Is what I am trying to figure out. I want live a fulfilling, purposeful life.
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03-05-2012 , 07:12 PM
@ SGT: You know more than me about this, clearly; but I just got the feeling he was deluded and anything that could be seen as insight was just more falsity covering up whatever it is he is hiding from.
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03-05-2012 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Henry17
Going to see a counsellor is a complete waste of time in most cases and for OP it is not even a question. He is not being honest and his goal in coming here is just to get affirmation. He knows that a good portion of OOT are fairly ****ed up in the same way so between those and the people who embrace psychiatry he knows he'll get that affirmation. OP has almost zero chance of fixing himself.
I thought I was being absolutely honest here. That is why I came. It is very hard for me to open up completely IRL. I am always protecting my ego when talking to others.
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03-05-2012 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
You know more than me about this, clearly; but I just got the feeling he was deluded and anything that could be seen as insight was just more falsity covering up whatever it is he is hiding from.
It's certainly possible. But even some minimal insight ("I don't like my life and who I am, and that's on me") is better than none ("I don't like my life, and everything around me should change to fix it.")
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03-05-2012 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Everyone is salvageable if they are willing to do a lot of work.

If by serious psychological issues you mean some sort of brain chemistry imbalance that requires life long medication, no. If you mean some personality pathology and a highly distorted way of viewing the world and yourself, yes, but your issues are fairly common.

You learn to stop manipulating people by not manipulating people. You learn to stop changing people and being a narcissistic self-centered guy by not doing those things you've done in the past.

There is no magic bullet. You need to fundamentally overhaul the way you think about the world and about yourself. The odds of you being able to do that without some sort of professional guidance are not good, IMO. The good thing is you appear to have some insight and a desire to change. But those two things without actively CHANGING YOUR BEHAVIORS will only result in you becoming even more wrapped up in your head, which is where most of your problem lies.
Thanks. This is my favorite advice in the thread. The problem with me is motivation. For the next month or two months this will be easy, it's when I stop being so cognizant of it that I fall back into bad habits.
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03-05-2012 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
The question is, is he just saying these things, or does he really believe them?
I absolutely, 100% believe them. You can only bang your head into a wall so many times before you realize you are the problem. I am easily irritable and I can only blame the world around me for being stupid for so long.
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03-05-2012 , 07:19 PM
Being the center of your own universe does not necessarily mean loving yourself. I think it's interesting you made that leap.
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