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07-02-2017 , 03:20 PM
Yeah the third floor walkup situation, or movers/furniture delivery that do a great job hauling **** up flights of stairs I will def give very large tips. Those jobs are brutal.

The min wage thing doesn't happen at subway though. It can **** people over at restaurants if say, you have to work 11am-12:30am shift, and the restaurant is only open 12-10:30p, you make $3/hr plus tips. Say your last table leaves at 11:15-11:30 or something. Average $15/hr with tips while waiting tables, then get screwed working 2-2.5 hours doing cleanup and side work at $3/hr because the average of hours worked is above min wage.

There's been class actions about it but it's still pretty common practice and bs imo
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07-02-2017 , 03:50 PM
Source: http://www.nexsenpruet.com/insights/...bor-violations

I was using Subway as an example because I remember having a conversation with a friend of mine who's kid was excited about their first job at Subway for the summer. We were talking about how is it possible for the kid to only be making $8/hr when the Nevada state minimum wage is $8.25 (if employer does not offer health insurance) and $7.25 (if the employer does offer health insurance). Individual franchises are skirting these rules by using the tip credits.

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Make Up the Difference Between Tips and Minimum Wage

A “tipped employee” is defined as one who customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. The tip credit allows employers to count tips toward satisfying the federal minimum wage requirement of $7.25 per hour. Employers may pay “tipped employees” a reduced hourly wage, which can be as low as $2.13 per hour. But when tips combined with hourly wages do not meet the federal minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference.
As long as an employee is earning "$30 in tips per month" then that employer is able to drop to whatever the state based low is. Now in this kid's particular case you might say, "Maybe at that Subway franchise they offer health insurance". Which might be true, but only to full time employees. By keeping someone under full time hours and applying "tip credits" employers are able to penny pinch and bend laws to pay their employee's as little as possible without affecting their bottom line. Meanwhile, leaving the customer to make up the rest with this "tipping culture" that's left the service industry and is now seen in anywhere with a cash register.

These corporations bank millions a year in profit, but act like paying their most bottom of the rung employee an extra $1-2 would bankrupt them.
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07-02-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by foatie
Source: http://www.nexsenpruet.com/insights/...bor-violations

I was using Subway as an example because I remember having a conversation with a friend of mine who's kid was excited about their first job at Subway for the summer. We were talking about how is it possible for the kid to only be making $8/hr when the Nevada state minimum wage is $8.25 (if employer does not offer health insurance) and $7.25 (if the employer does offer health insurance). Individual franchises are skirting these rules by using the tip credits.



As long as an employee is earning "$30 in tips per month" then that employer is able to drop to whatever the state based low is. Now in this kid's particular case you might say, "Maybe at that Subway franchise they offer health insurance". Which might be true, but only to full time employees. By keeping someone under full time hours and applying "tip credits" employers are able to penny pinch and bend laws to pay their employee's as little as possible without affecting their bottom line. Meanwhile, leaving the customer to make up the rest with this "tipping culture" that's left the service industry and is now seen in anywhere with a cash register.

These corporations bank millions a year in profit, but act like paying their most bottom of the rung employee an extra $1-2 would bankrupt them.
Its important to remember that if in fact this is happening, its the franchisee that is making these decisions.

Also its important to separate the profits of a large Franchisor from the store level operator. The franchisor makes a set percentage of sales-the local operators are in a much different game and profitability is determined by controlling costs with labor being the most variable item. Store level profits for a model like Subway rarely are north of 10%, and labor costs will run 25-30% of sales-so properly controlling labor costs significantly impact an operators ability to survive(and yes, $1-2 an hour would make the model unprofitable without raising prices). I personally haven't heard of anyone using the tip jar to lower their hourly rate, and frankly the documentation required to pass the inevitable DOL audit when someone complains would make it almost a push for the .25 an hour you indicate. That being said, some operators will try anything to squeeze extra money from units so it may be that they are just claiming the credit and hoping they don't get caught.
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07-02-2017 , 05:54 PM
What the hell?
Who in their right mind tips at Subway?
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07-02-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cs3
What the hell?
Who in their right mind eats at Subway?
Indeed.

foatie, employees make at least minimum wage no matter what because the employer must make up the difference between actual pay and minimum wage if actual pay is less than minimum wage. The site you quoted says exactly that.
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07-02-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by foatie
Source: http://www.nexsenpruet.com/insights/...bor-violations

I was using Subway as an example because I remember having a conversation with a friend of mine who's kid was excited about their first job at Subway for the summer. We were talking about how is it possible for the kid to only be making $8/hr when the Nevada state minimum wage is $8.25 (if employer does not offer health insurance) and $7.25 (if the employer does offer health insurance). Individual franchises are skirting these rules by using the tip credits.



As long as an employee is earning "$30 in tips per month" then that employer is able to drop to whatever the state based low is. Now in this kid's particular case you might say, "Maybe at that Subway franchise they offer health insurance". Which might be true, but only to full time employees. By keeping someone under full time hours and applying "tip credits" employers are able to penny pinch and bend laws to pay their employee's as little as possible without affecting their bottom line. Meanwhile, leaving the customer to make up the rest with this "tipping culture" that's left the service industry and is now seen in anywhere with a cash register.

These corporations bank millions a year in profit, but act like paying their most bottom of the rung employee an extra $1-2 would bankrupt them.
again they can institute these laws but there is no way the workers are making over 30 in tips a month so they'll be constituted the difference in almost all the situations. they can abuse the laws but they'll still have to pay unless subway customers in their area tip and tip all the time.
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07-03-2017 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
How standard is tipping the guys who deliver your appliances? I just had a washer and dryer delivered and those things are heavy as hell - and I live on the 3rd floor, no elevator, and 90 degrees outside. Prolly a rare time where tipping really seemed right, so I gave them $5 each.
No offense but that sounds light to me. I had a new fridge delivered to the ground floor of my house (with removal) and I gave those guys a 20.
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07-04-2017 , 06:29 AM
Why should that be a tippable profession in the first place?
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07-04-2017 , 11:11 AM
its don't just a sign of appreciation dont have to get all aspergery about it
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07-04-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Why should that be a tippable profession in the first place?
I'm definitely tipping 20 if I'm in a walk up
10 if you had an elevator
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07-05-2017 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Why should that be a tippable profession in the first place?
Because guys lugging appliances up stairs are poors who make very little while destroying their bodies. Tipping assuages the guilt of your privilege.

Definitely tip at least $20.
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07-05-2017 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by de captain
Because guys lugging appliances up stairs are poors who make very little while destroying their bodies. Tipping assuages the guilt of your privilege.

Definitely tip at least $20.
This

At least $20
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07-06-2017 , 05:56 AM
Maybe, I know this is a crazy idea but hear me out, they should be paid a wage that adequately compensates them for the work they do.
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07-06-2017 , 07:27 AM
That's a great point that nobody's ever thought of before.
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07-06-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Maybe, I know this is a crazy idea but hear me out, they should be paid a wage that adequately compensates them for the work they do.
Good luck with that!
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07-06-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Maybe, I know this is a crazy idea but hear me out, they should be paid a wage that adequately compensates them for the work they do.
It's not your place to tell what employees what they should earn in their unskilled labor positions, nor is it your place to tell employers what to pay them for their unskilled labor. Everyone is getting what they bargained for.

In those circumstances, I might tip a few bucks if they did a good job and I weren't charged for delivery, but I wouldn't feel any obligation to do so because I know that they're getting the wage they signed up for.
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07-06-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
It's not your place to tell what employees what they should earn in their unskilled labor positions, nor is it your place to tell employers what to pay them for their unskilled labor. Everyone is getting what they bargained for.
This. Whatever place is delivering your stuff will almost certainly let you pick it up. You can hire your own crew and pay them whatever you think is just if this really bothers you.
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08-20-2017 , 09:17 PM
I've always wondered if people tip prostitutes? Strippers get tipped so I am leaning towards yes but I'm not sure what is standard
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08-20-2017 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rexx14
I've always wondered if people tip prostitutes? Strippers get tipped so I am leaning towards yes but I'm not sure what is standard


No, but prostitutes get paid for "extras".

Note: I am not speaking from first hand experience.
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08-20-2017 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
No, but prostitutes get paid for "extras".

Note: I am not speaking from first hand experience.
Well that's weird. I'd assume prostitutes have regulars, it seems a bit weird tipping for food and not for sex. I'd assume tipping them would encourage them to provide a good service. Very strange.

First hand experience made me laugh. N1
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08-20-2017 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rexx14
Well that's weird. I'd assume prostitutes have regulars, it seems a bit weird tipping for food and not for sex. I'd assume tipping them would encourage them to provide a good service. Very strange.



First hand experience made me laugh. N1


Prostitutes don't get tipped really. High class escorts (with regulars) do.

Thanks Rexxy. Tipping
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08-20-2017 , 09:39 PM
You tip them to leave
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08-20-2017 , 09:41 PM
I thought the "extras" are what separate hookers from strippers in the first place?
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08-20-2017 , 10:53 PM
Given the rates I saw quoted on Cathouse, prostitutes are the last people you should be tipping.

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08-20-2017 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
You tip them to leave


No.
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